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Famous bellringers

2021-01-06T11:54:54Z

Gilesblundell: By popular demand, remove J Lennon to a section of his own as he didn't stick with it.

The following are people that members of the general public might have heard of who are known to have rung:

*[[Wikipedia: Ed Balls|Ed Balls]], politician<ref name = "Ed Balls">[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4496720/Ed-Balls-gives-answers-probing-questions.html Daily Mail - ‘Bell ringing is fascinating. I did it for years in my teens': Ed Balls gives his definitive answers to our most probing questions]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Kate Barker|Kate Barker]], economist<ref name="Kate Barker">[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/2790348/Bank-of-England-The-nine-people-who-set-UK-interest-rates.html The Telegraph - Bank of England: The nine people who set UK interest rates]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:John Betjeman|John Betjeman]], poet<ref name="John Betjeman">[http://nottoomuch.com/?page_id=2434 not too much - Betjeman]</ref>, (email from Bryan McCahey)
*[[Wikipedia:Jo Brand|Jo Brand]], comedian<ref name="Jo Brand">[http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/content/articles/2005/08/23/jo_brand_lifestyle_feature.shtml BBC - Jo Brand: a Kentish maid]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Louise Brealey|Louise Brealey]], journalist & actor (pathologist Molly Hooper in the BBC Series, Sherlock)<ref name="Louise Brealey">[https://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/2012/jan/22/louise-brealey-molly-sherlock-interview The Guardian - Louise Brealey: 'I don't think Molly is really Sherlock's type']</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:John Bunyan|John Bunyan]], author of "Pilgrim's Progress"<ref name="John Bunyan">[http://www.sounddoctrine.net/Classic_Sermons/John%20Bunyan/grace_abounding.html Grace Abounding to the Chief of Sinners]</ref>
*Ian Hay Davison<ref name="Ian Hay Davison Welcomed">[http://www.dulwich.org.uk/college/news-events/2015/09/16/ian-hay-davison-welcomed-as-a-fellow-of-dulwich-college Dulwich College - Ian Hay Davison Welcomed as a Fellow of Dulwich College]</ref>, former chief Executive of Lloyds of London<ref name="Ian Hay Davison">[http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/the-kippertie-maker-who-triumphed-over-maxwell-1259302.html Independent - The kipper-tie maker who triumphed over Maxwell]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:John Harrison|John Harrison]], clockmaker, "Longitude"<ref name="John Harrison">[http://www.lucytune.com/radnums.html Radical Numbers]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Derek Hatton|Derek Hatton]], politician (email from Geoff Sparling)
*[[Wikipedia:Philip Hollobone|Philip Hollobone]], MP<ref name="Philip Hollobone">[http://www.conservatives.com/People/Members_of_Parliament/Hollobone_Philip.aspx Conservatives - Philip Hollobone]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Robin McKinley|Robin McKinley]], author<ref name="Robin McKinley">[http://www.robinmckinley.com/blog.php Robin McKinley's Blog. Days in the Life]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Ian McMillan|Ian McMillan]], poet<ref name="Ian McMillan">[http://www.bigissue.com/features/5415/ian-mcmillan-how-to-impress-female-bell-ringers The Big Issue - Iam McMillan: How to Impress Female Bell Ringers]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Timmy Mallett|Timmy Mallett]], television performer<ref name="Timmy Mallett">[http://timmymallett.co.uk/charities/ Ringing the changes at Cookham]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Norma Major|Norma Major]], wife of former Prime Minister<ref name="Norma Major">[http://stpeterschertsey.f2s.com/ChertseyDistrict/news/jan08.htm Guildford Diocesan Guild of Church Bell Ringers - Chertsey District Newsletter January 2008]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Patrick Mayhew|Patrick Mayhew]], politician<ref name="Patrick Mayhew">[http://kcacr.org.uk/lord-patrick-mayhew/ Kent County Association of Change Ringers - Lord Patrick Mayhew]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Frank Muir|Frank Muir]], entertainment writer and performer<ref name="Frank Muir">[https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=mjsbZ6eTeQoC&pg=PA54&lpg=PA54&dq=%22frank+muir%22+bell+ring&source=bl&ots=i-15a27JzH&sig=uusV56eopUZseKEbENqY_YX8XMg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj21NbOg6TOAhUkDcAKHdkMCiEQ6AEIOTAF#v=onepage&q=%22frank%20muir%22%20bell%20ring&f=false pp 54-5 Muir, Frank 'A Kentish Lad', Corgi Books, 1998]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Monty Noble|Monty Noble]], Australian cricket captain 1903-4<ref name="Monty Noble">The Ringing World, 2 May, 1913</ref>, (email from Jim Shepherd)
*[[Wikipedia:Maggie Philbin|Maggie Philbin]], television presenter (email from Bryan McCahey)
*[[Wikipedia:Paul Revere|Paul Revere]], American revolutionary<ref name="Paul Revere">[http://oldnorth.com/bellringing/ The Old North Foundation - Bell Ringing]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Jon Shanklin|Jon Shanklin]], discovered the hole in the ozone layer in 1985<ref name="Jon Shanklin">[https://www.bas.ac.uk/profile/jdsh/ British Antarctic Survey - Jonathan Shanklin]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Donald Sinden|Donald Sinden]], actor (email from Bryan McCahey)
*[[Wikipedia:Alan Titchmarsh|Alan Titchmarsh]], celebrity gardener<ref name="Alan Titchmarsh">[http://www.my-tool-shed.co.uk/blog/2011/07/alan-titchmarsh-celebrity-gardener-profile/ MyToolShed.co.uk - Alan Titchmarsh]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Victoria Wood|Victoria Wood]], playwright & comedian<ref name="Victoria Wood">[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqq6DOMCto4 Victoria Wood - Live at the Albert 2001]</ref>

== People taught to ring for a broadcast performance only ==

*[[Wikipedia:John Barrowman|John Barrowman]], TV personality on the [[Wikipedia:Royal Jubilee Bells|Royal Jubilee Bells]] as part of the 2012 [[Wikipedia:Thames Diamond Jubilee Pageant|Thames Diamond Jubilee Pageant]]
*[[Wikipedia:Peter Benson (actor)|Peter Benson]], actor in Heartbeat: For Whom the Bell Tolls<ref name="For Whom the Bell Tolls">[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0598853/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl IMDb - Heartbeat, For Whom the Bell Tolls, Plot Summary]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Dugald Bruce Lockhart|Dugald Bruce Lockhart]], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead<ref name="Ring Out Your Dead">[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm Midsomer Murders - Ring Out Your Dead]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Jamie de Courcey|Jamie de Courcey]], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead<ref name="Ring Out Your Dead">[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm Midsomer Murders - Ring Out Your Dead]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Evan Davis|Evan Davis]], economist, journalist and presenter for the BBC<ref name="Evan Davis">[http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_8126000/8126215.stm Today - Evan's lesson in bell ringing]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Peter Davison|Peter Davison]], actor in [[Wikipedia:All Creatures Great and Small (TV_series)|All Creatures Great and Small]] (3 episodes - specific episode in which he rings not yet identified)
*[[Wikipedia:Ade Edmondson|Ade Edmondson]], comedian, actor, writer, musician, television presenter and director<ref name="Ade Edmondson">[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJNQJQHA5v4 ITV Daytime - Ade Edmondson]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Ardal O'Hanlon|Ardal O'Hanlon]], comedian in I've Never Seen Star Wars<ref name="Ardal O'Hanlon">[http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00rms97 I've Never Seen Star Wars - Ardal O'Hanlon]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Geoffrey Hughes|Geoffrey Hughes]], actor in Heartbeat: For Whom the Bell Tolls<ref name="For Whom the Bell Tolls">[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0598853/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl IMDb - Heartbeat, For Whom the Bell Tolls, Plot Summary]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:David Lonsdale|David Lonsdale]], actor in Heartbeat: For Whom the Bell Tolls<ref name="For Whom the Bell Tolls">[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0598853/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl IMDb - Heartbeat, For Whom the Bell Tolls, Plot Summary]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Lyndsey Marshal|Lyndsey Marshal]], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead<ref name="Ring Out Your Dead">[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm Midsomer Murders - Ring Out Your Dead]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Francis Matthews_ (actor)|Francis Matthews]], actor in Heartbeat: For Whom the Bell Tolls<ref name="For Whom the Bell Tolls">[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0598853/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl IMDb - Heartbeat, For Whom the Bell Tolls, Plot Summary]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Adrian Scarborough|Adrian Scarborough]], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead<ref name="Ring Out Your Dead">[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm Midsomer Murders - Ring Out Your Dead]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Chris Serle|Chris Serle]], broadcaster for 'In at the Deep End ' (BBC TV) (emails to change-ringers list)
*[[Wikipedia:Gwen Taylor|Gwen Taylor]], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead<ref name="Ring Out Your Dead">[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm Midsomer Murders - Ring Out Your Dead]</ref>
*Seamus Whitty<ref name="Seamus Whittey biog">[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1469301/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm IMDb - Seamus Whittey]</ref>, actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead<ref name="Ring Out Your Dead">[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm Midsomer Murders - Ring Out Your Dead]</ref>

== People who may have given ringing a try but don't seem to have stuck with it ==

''This section is not intended to be comprehensive, but to note people where the name keeps coming up in conversation as purportedly a famous person who rang''

*[[Wikipedia:John Lennon|John Lennon]], musician<ref name="John Lennon">[https://stpeterswoolton-heritage.com/tag/st-peters/ John and bell-ringing at St Peter's Church]</ref>: 'The current Tower Captain at [[Wikipedia:St_Peter%27s_Church,_Woolton,_Liverpool|St Peter’s]] , Nick Willasey, told us that: “John Lennon did attend a couple of bell-ringing practices around 1957 – but didn’t take it up, as the then Tower Captain suggested that bell-ringing may not be for him, as John was not keen on doing what he was instructed to do!” '

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Ringing in books

2021-01-05T11:38:18Z

Gilesblundell: Lose title which shouldn't have been copied across

How often do new ringers - or any ringers, if it comes to that - try to seek out accurate portrayals of ringing in general literature? Few of us get much further than Dorothy L Sayers' "The Nine Tailors", in which it turns out that Lord Peter Wimsey is not only the younger brother of a duke, a man about town, book collector, shell shocked survivor of the first world war and amateur detective, but an able bell ringer. He turns his skill and knowledge to account to solve the mysteries of the Wilbraham Emeralds, and of a body found unexpectedly in a grave.

But there are other books to feature ringing, to various degrees of accuracy, and with various degrees of importance to the plot of the book. The Suffolk Guild library contains 15 different titles of fiction and social history, but not all of these are in print or readily available second hand - I have limited my review here to books which can be obtained for £10 or less. Contributors to the ringing-chat list also kindly made suggestions of books which might be of interest.

"The Nine Tailors" is not the only crime novel to feature ringing: Ray Harrison's "A Season for Death" is set in Victorian London. The Dean of St Paul's is covering to Stedman at the cathedral when he falls victim to a flying rope. The police investigate - and there are more deaths. There are also suspicious deaths in "The Dying Light" (US title - The Bell Ringers), a 2009 political thriller by journalist Henry Porter. A lawyer and former spy returns to Britain for an inquest. Why has her former lover - once the head of the Joint Intelligence Committee - left her most of his possessions and a most unusual letter, and £125000 to the Marches Society of Bell Ringers? Like many novels involving ringing, the ringing is very much a subplot, but what there is is accurately described.

Bell ringers are not the only people to die in Connie Willis' "Doomsday Book" which won the Hugo and Nebula awards for science fiction. It's the story of a historian from mid 21st century Oxford, sent back in time to explore the fourteenth century. Meanwhile, back in the future, bell ringers are visiting an Oxford under quarantine for a mysterious 'flu. Unlike Porter's book, ringing is fairly important to the plot; also unlike Porter, the description is infuriatingly inaccurate. So we find that by the mid 21st Century, Carfax in Oxford has gained a carillon, and handbell ringers bob up and down while ringing methods. But maybe Willis gains points for noting that a little thing like being quarantined will not put ringers off their planned tour. There are few deaths in Chico Kidd's "The Printer's Devil", a fantasy, with a highly fictionalised Fabian Stedman, magic, opera and College Youths, and some rather uncomfortable themes around sexuality. Modern day bell ringers explore some mysterious 17th century documents; back in the 17th century, a printer's apprentice finds his fellow ringer using powers to make life apparently more comfortable than it might be. The two storylines eventually intertwine to one.

Caroline Graham's "Faithful unto Death" probably fails to be of interest to ringers on all counts. A Midsomer Murders novel, it is not "Ring Out Your Dead" (that one, where leading members of the Oxford Diocesan Guild are defeated in a striking competition by three actors who have clearly never seen a bellrope before, was written as a television script) and ringing is not only peripheral but misunderstood - the ringers are asked to ring a peal of Oranges and Lemons, and their ropes are made of red, white and blue hemp.

Moving on from crime and death, bell ringing is prominent in a number of romances. John Meade Falkner's "The Nebuly Coat" was a period piece when it was published in 1903, being set in the 1860s. A young architect comes to supervise the restoration of a once great church in a once great port. Over more than two years, the mystery of the heir to the Blandamer fortune comes to a head, and a peal is rung. Of all the books I've reviewed here, "The Nebuly Coat" seems to generate the strongest feelings - it is very unlike Falkner's better known "Moonfleet", and various amateur reviewers on the internet write quite heatedly in praise or (more surprisingly) in criticism of it.

Georgina Lewis' "The Winter Tree" from 1983 is also rather gothic. A bell ringer adopts his orphaned niece, and tragedy ensues when she cannot be with the man she loves. Bell ringing plays an important part in setting the background, and is accurately described (including the tip for knowing whether to go in quick or slow in Stedman). But it's a little surprising to find such a vigorous method ringing community in Cornwall, generally seen as one of the strongholds of call change ringing. Lillian Harry (who writes under a number of pseudonyms but is, apparently, a ringer) shows a better grasp of local style in "The Bells of Burracombe". A Devon village welcomes a new schoolteacher in the run up to the Festival of Britain. Among the local celebrations will be a striking competition.

Also a period piece is Jean Chapman's "The Bellmakers". In mid 19th century Leicestershire, a girl takes on her late father's trade, arriving to sell goods at a village on the day the church bell is being removed for recasting by the handsome bellfounders. Will she find happiness with one of the founders? Well, what do you think?

Reginald Arkell's "Trumpets over Merriford" is perhaps best described as a rural idyll. Published in 1955, and set more or less contemporaneously, it tells of the American Air Force arriving in the small English village. When the air force put a beacon on top of Merriford church, they find rot in the bellframe. How will the problem be solved?

Problem solving is also a theme in "Mr Pettigrew and the Bellringers", a 1976 children's book by Leonard Clark. Country vicar Simon Pettigrew faces a number of problems with his ringers and the bells - but they're all resolved to the vicar's satisfaction, even if it wouldn't leave the ringers terribly happy.

Perhaps inevitably, children's books have dated. "Milly" by Pippa Goodhart is set on New Year's Eve 1999: Alice is looked after by her grandfather while her mother gives birth. Grandfather is a bellringer, and Alice gets to see the ringing for the new millennium. It's a good story for its age group - but it will be a while before we welcome another millennium. Even more dated in their feel are John Escott's "Alarm Bells" (1981) and "Bell Rescue" (1983) which revolve around handbells. I gather that H E Todd's character Bobby Brewster had a (mainly accurate) adventure with bell ringers in "Bobby Brewster's Lamp Post" (1982) but the cost of this out of print but collectable book means that I haven't seen it.

Finally, moving on from fiction, are two works of oral history. In 1969, Ronald Blythe published "Akenfield: Portrait of an English Village", an oral, anonymised social history of life in rural Suffolk, looking at how life had changed from the time between the wars and the late 1960s. Interviewees include a local ringer, and a local but internationally prominent tower captain. Perhaps less well known but just as interesting is George Ewart Evans' 1956 "Ask The Fellows Who Cut The Hay", based on interviews with the old people of a different Suffolk village, the last generation to remember rural life before mechanisation. In a time when many people never left their parish, the bellringers might have visited more than 200 towers.

Ringing is not widely represented in general literature - but there is more out there than would appear at first glance. Taken together, the picture they give of bell ringers is not totally inaccurate, although the view from any one book would (surely?) not reflect what any of us would see in our home towers.

Ringing in books

2021-01-05T11:37:39Z

Gilesblundell: Cut and pasted from merseybells.org.uk - because that won't be there for ever...

Ringing in books.

How often do new ringers - or any ringers, if it comes to that - try to seek out accurate portrayals of ringing in general literature? Few of us get much further than Dorothy L Sayers' "The Nine Tailors", in which it turns out that Lord Peter Wimsey is not only the younger brother of a duke, a man about town, book collector, shell shocked survivor of the first world war and amateur detective, but an able bell ringer. He turns his skill and knowledge to account to solve the mysteries of the Wilbraham Emeralds, and of a body found unexpectedly in a grave.

But there are other books to feature ringing, to various degrees of accuracy, and with various degrees of importance to the plot of the book. The Suffolk Guild library contains 15 different titles of fiction and social history, but not all of these are in print or readily available second hand - I have limited my review here to books which can be obtained for £10 or less. Contributors to the ringing-chat list also kindly made suggestions of books which might be of interest.

"The Nine Tailors" is not the only crime novel to feature ringing: Ray Harrison's "A Season for Death" is set in Victorian London. The Dean of St Paul's is covering to Stedman at the cathedral when he falls victim to a flying rope. The police investigate - and there are more deaths. There are also suspicious deaths in "The Dying Light" (US title - The Bell Ringers), a 2009 political thriller by journalist Henry Porter. A lawyer and former spy returns to Britain for an inquest. Why has her former lover - once the head of the Joint Intelligence Committee - left her most of his possessions and a most unusual letter, and £125000 to the Marches Society of Bell Ringers? Like many novels involving ringing, the ringing is very much a subplot, but what there is is accurately described.

Bell ringers are not the only people to die in Connie Willis' "Doomsday Book" which won the Hugo and Nebula awards for science fiction. It's the story of a historian from mid 21st century Oxford, sent back in time to explore the fourteenth century. Meanwhile, back in the future, bell ringers are visiting an Oxford under quarantine for a mysterious 'flu. Unlike Porter's book, ringing is fairly important to the plot; also unlike Porter, the description is infuriatingly inaccurate. So we find that by the mid 21st Century, Carfax in Oxford has gained a carillon, and handbell ringers bob up and down while ringing methods. But maybe Willis gains points for noting that a little thing like being quarantined will not put ringers off their planned tour. There are few deaths in Chico Kidd's "The Printer's Devil", a fantasy, with a highly fictionalised Fabian Stedman, magic, opera and College Youths, and some rather uncomfortable themes around sexuality. Modern day bell ringers explore some mysterious 17th century documents; back in the 17th century, a printer's apprentice finds his fellow ringer using powers to make life apparently more comfortable than it might be. The two storylines eventually intertwine to one.

Caroline Graham's "Faithful unto Death" probably fails to be of interest to ringers on all counts. A Midsomer Murders novel, it is not "Ring Out Your Dead" (that one, where leading members of the Oxford Diocesan Guild are defeated in a striking competition by three actors who have clearly never seen a bellrope before, was written as a television script) and ringing is not only peripheral but misunderstood - the ringers are asked to ring a peal of Oranges and Lemons, and their ropes are made of red, white and blue hemp.

Moving on from crime and death, bell ringing is prominent in a number of romances. John Meade Falkner's "The Nebuly Coat" was a period piece when it was published in 1903, being set in the 1860s. A young architect comes to supervise the restoration of a once great church in a once great port. Over more than two years, the mystery of the heir to the Blandamer fortune comes to a head, and a peal is rung. Of all the books I've reviewed here, "The Nebuly Coat" seems to generate the strongest feelings - it is very unlike Falkner's better known "Moonfleet", and various amateur reviewers on the internet write quite heatedly in praise or (more surprisingly) in criticism of it.

Georgina Lewis' "The Winter Tree" from 1983 is also rather gothic. A bell ringer adopts his orphaned niece, and tragedy ensues when she cannot be with the man she loves. Bell ringing plays an important part in setting the background, and is accurately described (including the tip for knowing whether to go in quick or slow in Stedman). But it's a little surprising to find such a vigorous method ringing community in Cornwall, generally seen as one of the strongholds of call change ringing. Lillian Harry (who writes under a number of pseudonyms but is, apparently, a ringer) shows a better grasp of local style in "The Bells of Burracombe". A Devon village welcomes a new schoolteacher in the run up to the Festival of Britain. Among the local celebrations will be a striking competition.

Also a period piece is Jean Chapman's "The Bellmakers". In mid 19th century Leicestershire, a girl takes on her late father's trade, arriving to sell goods at a village on the day the church bell is being removed for recasting by the handsome bellfounders. Will she find happiness with one of the founders? Well, what do you think?

Reginald Arkell's "Trumpets over Merriford" is perhaps best described as a rural idyll. Published in 1955, and set more or less contemporaneously, it tells of the American Air Force arriving in the small English village. When the air force put a beacon on top of Merriford church, they find rot in the bellframe. How will the problem be solved?

Problem solving is also a theme in "Mr Pettigrew and the Bellringers", a 1976 children's book by Leonard Clark. Country vicar Simon Pettigrew faces a number of problems with his ringers and the bells - but they're all resolved to the vicar's satisfaction, even if it wouldn't leave the ringers terribly happy.

Perhaps inevitably, children's books have dated. "Milly" by Pippa Goodhart is set on New Year's Eve 1999: Alice is looked after by her grandfather while her mother gives birth. Grandfather is a bellringer, and Alice gets to see the ringing for the new millennium. It's a good story for its age group - but it will be a while before we welcome another millennium. Even more dated in their feel are John Escott's "Alarm Bells" (1981) and "Bell Rescue" (1983) which revolve around handbells. I gather that H E Todd's character Bobby Brewster had a (mainly accurate) adventure with bell ringers in "Bobby Brewster's Lamp Post" (1982) but the cost of this out of print but collectable book means that I haven't seen it.

Finally, moving on from fiction, are two works of oral history. In 1969, Ronald Blythe published "Akenfield: Portrait of an English Village", an oral, anonymised social history of life in rural Suffolk, looking at how life had changed from the time between the wars and the late 1960s. Interviewees include a local ringer, and a local but internationally prominent tower captain. Perhaps less well known but just as interesting is George Ewart Evans' 1956 "Ask The Fellows Who Cut The Hay", based on interviews with the old people of a different Suffolk village, the last generation to remember rural life before mechanisation. In a time when many people never left their parish, the bellringers might have visited more than 200 towers.

Ringing is not widely represented in general literature - but there is more out there than would appear at first glance. Taken together, the picture they give of bell ringers is not totally inaccurate, although the view from any one book would (surely?) not reflect what any of us would see in our home towers.

Famous bellringers

2021-01-05T11:23:54Z

Gilesblundell: Name Lennon link

The following are people that members of the general public might have heard of who are known to have rung:

*[[Wikipedia: Ed Balls|Ed Balls]], politician<ref name = "Ed Balls">[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4496720/Ed-Balls-gives-answers-probing-questions.html Daily Mail - ‘Bell ringing is fascinating. I did it for years in my teens': Ed Balls gives his definitive answers to our most probing questions]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Kate Barker|Kate Barker]], economist<ref name="Kate Barker">[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/2790348/Bank-of-England-The-nine-people-who-set-UK-interest-rates.html The Telegraph - Bank of England: The nine people who set UK interest rates]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:John Betjeman|John Betjeman]], poet<ref name="John Betjeman">[http://nottoomuch.com/?page_id=2434 not too much - Betjeman]</ref>, (email from Bryan McCahey)
*[[Wikipedia:Jo Brand|Jo Brand]], comedian<ref name="Jo Brand">[http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/content/articles/2005/08/23/jo_brand_lifestyle_feature.shtml BBC - Jo Brand: a Kentish maid]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Louise Brealey|Louise Brealey]], journalist & actor (pathologist Molly Hooper in the BBC Series, Sherlock)<ref name="Louise Brealey">[https://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/2012/jan/22/louise-brealey-molly-sherlock-interview The Guardian - Louise Brealey: 'I don't think Molly is really Sherlock's type']</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:John Bunyan|John Bunyan]], author of "Pilgrim's Progress"<ref name="John Bunyan">[http://www.sounddoctrine.net/Classic_Sermons/John%20Bunyan/grace_abounding.html Grace Abounding to the Chief of Sinners]</ref>
*Ian Hay Davison<ref name="Ian Hay Davison Welcomed">[http://www.dulwich.org.uk/college/news-events/2015/09/16/ian-hay-davison-welcomed-as-a-fellow-of-dulwich-college Dulwich College - Ian Hay Davison Welcomed as a Fellow of Dulwich College]</ref>, former chief Executive of Lloyds of London<ref name="Ian Hay Davison">[http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/the-kippertie-maker-who-triumphed-over-maxwell-1259302.html Independent - The kipper-tie maker who triumphed over Maxwell]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:John Harrison|John Harrison]], clockmaker, "Longitude"<ref name="John Harrison">[http://www.lucytune.com/radnums.html Radical Numbers]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Derek Hatton|Derek Hatton]], politician (email from Geoff Sparling)
*[[Wikipedia:Philip Hollobone|Philip Hollobone]], MP<ref name="Philip Hollobone">[http://www.conservatives.com/People/Members_of_Parliament/Hollobone_Philip.aspx Conservatives - Philip Hollobone]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:John Lennon|John Lennon]], musician<ref name="John Lennon">[https://stpeterswoolton-heritage.com/tag/st-peters/ John and bell-ringing at St Peter's Church]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Robin McKinley|Robin McKinley]], author<ref name="Robin McKinley">[http://www.robinmckinley.com/blog.php Robin McKinley's Blog. Days in the Life]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Ian McMillan|Ian McMillan]], poet<ref name="Ian McMillan">[http://www.bigissue.com/features/5415/ian-mcmillan-how-to-impress-female-bell-ringers The Big Issue - Iam McMillan: How to Impress Female Bell Ringers]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Timmy Mallett|Timmy Mallett]], television performer<ref name="Timmy Mallett">[http://timmymallett.co.uk/charities/ Ringing the changes at Cookham]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Norma Major|Norma Major]], wife of former Prime Minister<ref name="Norma Major">[http://stpeterschertsey.f2s.com/ChertseyDistrict/news/jan08.htm Guildford Diocesan Guild of Church Bell Ringers - Chertsey District Newsletter January 2008]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Patrick Mayhew|Patrick Mayhew]], politician<ref name="Patrick Mayhew">[http://kcacr.org.uk/lord-patrick-mayhew/ Kent County Association of Change Ringers - Lord Patrick Mayhew]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Frank Muir|Frank Muir]], entertainment writer and performer<ref name="Frank Muir">[https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=mjsbZ6eTeQoC&pg=PA54&lpg=PA54&dq=%22frank+muir%22+bell+ring&source=bl&ots=i-15a27JzH&sig=uusV56eopUZseKEbENqY_YX8XMg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj21NbOg6TOAhUkDcAKHdkMCiEQ6AEIOTAF#v=onepage&q=%22frank%20muir%22%20bell%20ring&f=false pp 54-5 Muir, Frank 'A Kentish Lad', Corgi Books, 1998]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Monty Noble|Monty Noble]], Australian cricket captain 1903-4<ref name="Monty Noble">The Ringing World, 2 May, 1913</ref>, (email from Jim Shepherd)
*[[Wikipedia:Maggie Philbin|Maggie Philbin]], television presenter (email from Bryan McCahey)
*[[Wikipedia:Paul Revere|Paul Revere]], American revolutionary<ref name="Paul Revere">[http://oldnorth.com/bellringing/ The Old North Foundation - Bell Ringing]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Jon Shanklin|Jon Shanklin]], discovered the hole in the ozone layer in 1985<ref name="Jon Shanklin">[https://www.bas.ac.uk/profile/jdsh/ British Antarctic Survey - Jonathan Shanklin]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Donald Sinden|Donald Sinden]], actor (email from Bryan McCahey)
*[[Wikipedia:Alan Titchmarsh|Alan Titchmarsh]], celebrity gardener<ref name="Alan Titchmarsh">[http://www.my-tool-shed.co.uk/blog/2011/07/alan-titchmarsh-celebrity-gardener-profile/ MyToolShed.co.uk - Alan Titchmarsh]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Victoria Wood|Victoria Wood]], playwright & comedian<ref name="Victoria Wood">[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqq6DOMCto4 Victoria Wood - Live at the Albert 2001]</ref>

== People taught to ring for a broadcast performance only ==

*[[Wikipedia:John Barrowman|John Barrowman]], TV personality on the [[Wikipedia:Royal Jubilee Bells|Royal Jubilee Bells]] as part of the 2012 [[Wikipedia:Thames Diamond Jubilee Pageant|Thames Diamond Jubilee Pageant]]
*[[Wikipedia:Peter Benson (actor)|Peter Benson]], actor in Heartbeat: For Whom the Bell Tolls<ref name="For Whom the Bell Tolls">[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0598853/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl IMDb - Heartbeat, For Whom the Bell Tolls, Plot Summary]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Dugald Bruce Lockhart|Dugald Bruce Lockhart]], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead<ref name="Ring Out Your Dead">[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm Midsomer Murders - Ring Out Your Dead]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Jamie de Courcey|Jamie de Courcey]], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead<ref name="Ring Out Your Dead">[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm Midsomer Murders - Ring Out Your Dead]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Evan Davis|Evan Davis]], economist, journalist and presenter for the BBC<ref name="Evan Davis">[http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_8126000/8126215.stm Today - Evan's lesson in bell ringing]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Peter Davison|Peter Davison]], actor in [[Wikipedia:All Creatures Great and Small (TV_series)|All Creatures Great and Small]] (3 episodes - specific episode in which he rings not yet identified)
*[[Wikipedia:Ade Edmondson|Ade Edmondson]], comedian, actor, writer, musician, television presenter and director<ref name="Ade Edmondson">[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJNQJQHA5v4 ITV Daytime - Ade Edmondson]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Ardal O'Hanlon|Ardal O'Hanlon]], comedian in I've Never Seen Star Wars<ref name="Ardal O'Hanlon">[http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00rms97 I've Never Seen Star Wars - Ardal O'Hanlon]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Geoffrey Hughes|Geoffrey Hughes]], actor in Heartbeat: For Whom the Bell Tolls<ref name="For Whom the Bell Tolls">[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0598853/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl IMDb - Heartbeat, For Whom the Bell Tolls, Plot Summary]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:David Lonsdale|David Lonsdale]], actor in Heartbeat: For Whom the Bell Tolls<ref name="For Whom the Bell Tolls">[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0598853/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl IMDb - Heartbeat, For Whom the Bell Tolls, Plot Summary]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Lyndsey Marshal|Lyndsey Marshal]], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead<ref name="Ring Out Your Dead">[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm Midsomer Murders - Ring Out Your Dead]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Francis Matthews_ (actor)|Francis Matthews]], actor in Heartbeat: For Whom the Bell Tolls<ref name="For Whom the Bell Tolls">[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0598853/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl IMDb - Heartbeat, For Whom the Bell Tolls, Plot Summary]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Adrian Scarborough|Adrian Scarborough]], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead<ref name="Ring Out Your Dead">[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm Midsomer Murders - Ring Out Your Dead]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Chris Serle|Chris Serle]], broadcaster for 'In at the Deep End ' (BBC TV) (emails to change-ringers list)
*[[Wikipedia:Gwen Taylor|Gwen Taylor]], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead<ref name="Ring Out Your Dead">[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm Midsomer Murders - Ring Out Your Dead]</ref>
*Seamus Whitty<ref name="Seamus Whittey biog">[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1469301/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm IMDb - Seamus Whittey]</ref>, actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead<ref name="Ring Out Your Dead">[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm Midsomer Murders - Ring Out Your Dead]</ref>

==References==
<references/>

Famous bellringers

2021-01-05T11:18:33Z

Gilesblundell: John Lennon: alphabetise Paddy Mayhew

The following are people that members of the general public might have heard of who are known to have rung:

*[[Wikipedia: Ed Balls|Ed Balls]], politician<ref name = "Ed Balls">[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4496720/Ed-Balls-gives-answers-probing-questions.html Daily Mail - ‘Bell ringing is fascinating. I did it for years in my teens': Ed Balls gives his definitive answers to our most probing questions]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Kate Barker|Kate Barker]], economist<ref name="Kate Barker">[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/2790348/Bank-of-England-The-nine-people-who-set-UK-interest-rates.html The Telegraph - Bank of England: The nine people who set UK interest rates]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:John Betjeman|John Betjeman]], poet<ref name="John Betjeman">[http://nottoomuch.com/?page_id=2434 not too much - Betjeman]</ref>, (email from Bryan McCahey)
*[[Wikipedia:Jo Brand|Jo Brand]], comedian<ref name="Jo Brand">[http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/content/articles/2005/08/23/jo_brand_lifestyle_feature.shtml BBC - Jo Brand: a Kentish maid]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Louise Brealey|Louise Brealey]], journalist & actor (pathologist Molly Hooper in the BBC Series, Sherlock)<ref name="Louise Brealey">[https://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/2012/jan/22/louise-brealey-molly-sherlock-interview The Guardian - Louise Brealey: 'I don't think Molly is really Sherlock's type']</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:John Bunyan|John Bunyan]], author of "Pilgrim's Progress"<ref name="John Bunyan">[http://www.sounddoctrine.net/Classic_Sermons/John%20Bunyan/grace_abounding.html Grace Abounding to the Chief of Sinners]</ref>
*Ian Hay Davison<ref name="Ian Hay Davison Welcomed">[http://www.dulwich.org.uk/college/news-events/2015/09/16/ian-hay-davison-welcomed-as-a-fellow-of-dulwich-college Dulwich College - Ian Hay Davison Welcomed as a Fellow of Dulwich College]</ref>, former chief Executive of Lloyds of London<ref name="Ian Hay Davison">[http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/the-kippertie-maker-who-triumphed-over-maxwell-1259302.html Independent - The kipper-tie maker who triumphed over Maxwell]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:John Harrison|John Harrison]], clockmaker, "Longitude"<ref name="John Harrison">[http://www.lucytune.com/radnums.html Radical Numbers]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Derek Hatton|Derek Hatton]], politician (email from Geoff Sparling)
*[[Wikipedia:Philip Hollobone|Philip Hollobone]], MP<ref name="Philip Hollobone">[http://www.conservatives.com/People/Members_of_Parliament/Hollobone_Philip.aspx Conservatives - Philip Hollobone]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:John Lennon|John Lennon]], musician<ref name="John Lennon">[https://stpeterswoolton-heritage.com/tag/st-peters/]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Robin McKinley|Robin McKinley]], author<ref name="Robin McKinley">[http://www.robinmckinley.com/blog.php Robin McKinley's Blog. Days in the Life]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Ian McMillan|Ian McMillan]], poet<ref name="Ian McMillan">[http://www.bigissue.com/features/5415/ian-mcmillan-how-to-impress-female-bell-ringers The Big Issue - Iam McMillan: How to Impress Female Bell Ringers]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Timmy Mallett|Timmy Mallett]], television performer<ref name="Timmy Mallett">[http://timmymallett.co.uk/charities/ Ringing the changes at Cookham]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Norma Major|Norma Major]], wife of former Prime Minister<ref name="Norma Major">[http://stpeterschertsey.f2s.com/ChertseyDistrict/news/jan08.htm Guildford Diocesan Guild of Church Bell Ringers - Chertsey District Newsletter January 2008]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Patrick Mayhew|Patrick Mayhew]], politician<ref name="Patrick Mayhew">[http://kcacr.org.uk/lord-patrick-mayhew/ Kent County Association of Change Ringers - Lord Patrick Mayhew]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Frank Muir|Frank Muir]], entertainment writer and performer<ref name="Frank Muir">[https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=mjsbZ6eTeQoC&pg=PA54&lpg=PA54&dq=%22frank+muir%22+bell+ring&source=bl&ots=i-15a27JzH&sig=uusV56eopUZseKEbENqY_YX8XMg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj21NbOg6TOAhUkDcAKHdkMCiEQ6AEIOTAF#v=onepage&q=%22frank%20muir%22%20bell%20ring&f=false pp 54-5 Muir, Frank 'A Kentish Lad', Corgi Books, 1998]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Monty Noble|Monty Noble]], Australian cricket captain 1903-4<ref name="Monty Noble">The Ringing World, 2 May, 1913</ref>, (email from Jim Shepherd)
*[[Wikipedia:Maggie Philbin|Maggie Philbin]], television presenter (email from Bryan McCahey)
*[[Wikipedia:Paul Revere|Paul Revere]], American revolutionary<ref name="Paul Revere">[http://oldnorth.com/bellringing/ The Old North Foundation - Bell Ringing]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Jon Shanklin|Jon Shanklin]], discovered the hole in the ozone layer in 1985<ref name="Jon Shanklin">[https://www.bas.ac.uk/profile/jdsh/ British Antarctic Survey - Jonathan Shanklin]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Donald Sinden|Donald Sinden]], actor (email from Bryan McCahey)
*[[Wikipedia:Alan Titchmarsh|Alan Titchmarsh]], celebrity gardener<ref name="Alan Titchmarsh">[http://www.my-tool-shed.co.uk/blog/2011/07/alan-titchmarsh-celebrity-gardener-profile/ MyToolShed.co.uk - Alan Titchmarsh]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Victoria Wood|Victoria Wood]], playwright & comedian<ref name="Victoria Wood">[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqq6DOMCto4 Victoria Wood - Live at the Albert 2001]</ref>

== People taught to ring for a broadcast performance only ==

*[[Wikipedia:John Barrowman|John Barrowman]], TV personality on the [[Wikipedia:Royal Jubilee Bells|Royal Jubilee Bells]] as part of the 2012 [[Wikipedia:Thames Diamond Jubilee Pageant|Thames Diamond Jubilee Pageant]]
*[[Wikipedia:Peter Benson (actor)|Peter Benson]], actor in Heartbeat: For Whom the Bell Tolls<ref name="For Whom the Bell Tolls">[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0598853/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl IMDb - Heartbeat, For Whom the Bell Tolls, Plot Summary]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Dugald Bruce Lockhart|Dugald Bruce Lockhart]], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead<ref name="Ring Out Your Dead">[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm Midsomer Murders - Ring Out Your Dead]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Jamie de Courcey|Jamie de Courcey]], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead<ref name="Ring Out Your Dead">[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm Midsomer Murders - Ring Out Your Dead]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Evan Davis|Evan Davis]], economist, journalist and presenter for the BBC<ref name="Evan Davis">[http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_8126000/8126215.stm Today - Evan's lesson in bell ringing]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Peter Davison|Peter Davison]], actor in [[Wikipedia:All Creatures Great and Small (TV_series)|All Creatures Great and Small]] (3 episodes - specific episode in which he rings not yet identified)
*[[Wikipedia:Ade Edmondson|Ade Edmondson]], comedian, actor, writer, musician, television presenter and director<ref name="Ade Edmondson">[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJNQJQHA5v4 ITV Daytime - Ade Edmondson]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Ardal O'Hanlon|Ardal O'Hanlon]], comedian in I've Never Seen Star Wars<ref name="Ardal O'Hanlon">[http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00rms97 I've Never Seen Star Wars - Ardal O'Hanlon]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Geoffrey Hughes|Geoffrey Hughes]], actor in Heartbeat: For Whom the Bell Tolls<ref name="For Whom the Bell Tolls">[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0598853/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl IMDb - Heartbeat, For Whom the Bell Tolls, Plot Summary]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:David Lonsdale|David Lonsdale]], actor in Heartbeat: For Whom the Bell Tolls<ref name="For Whom the Bell Tolls">[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0598853/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl IMDb - Heartbeat, For Whom the Bell Tolls, Plot Summary]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Lyndsey Marshal|Lyndsey Marshal]], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead<ref name="Ring Out Your Dead">[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm Midsomer Murders - Ring Out Your Dead]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Francis Matthews_ (actor)|Francis Matthews]], actor in Heartbeat: For Whom the Bell Tolls<ref name="For Whom the Bell Tolls">[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0598853/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl IMDb - Heartbeat, For Whom the Bell Tolls, Plot Summary]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Adrian Scarborough|Adrian Scarborough]], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead<ref name="Ring Out Your Dead">[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm Midsomer Murders - Ring Out Your Dead]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Chris Serle|Chris Serle]], broadcaster for 'In at the Deep End ' (BBC TV) (emails to change-ringers list)
*[[Wikipedia:Gwen Taylor|Gwen Taylor]], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead<ref name="Ring Out Your Dead">[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm Midsomer Murders - Ring Out Your Dead]</ref>
*Seamus Whitty<ref name="Seamus Whittey biog">[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1469301/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm IMDb - Seamus Whittey]</ref>, actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead<ref name="Ring Out Your Dead">[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm Midsomer Murders - Ring Out Your Dead]</ref>

==References==
<references/>

Talk:Famous bellringers

2017-05-24T10:20:17Z

Gilesblundell: For the purposes of this article, what do we mean by 'ringing' ?

I remember seeing a video of [[Wikipedia:Deborah Harry|Deborah Harry]] ringing, probably just backstroke, I think at Christ Church Cathedral, Dublin. I can't find it just now but maybe someone will be able to. [[User:Smeeds|Smeeds]] ([[User talk:Smeeds|talk]]) 15:01, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

I have found another reference to someone ringing at Christ Church Cathedral, Dublin. It is [[Wikipedia:Jimmy Rip|Jimmy Rip]] though it is not clear whether he range backstroke, chimed or what. It's certainly [http://thestar.ie/about-us/63475/ referenced here] but I don't know whether it should fit into the first category - it doesn't fit in the second. Is the intention of the first category to be "The following are people that members of the general public might have heard of who are known to have rung" ... even if only once? [[User:Smeeds|Smeeds]] ([[User talk:Smeeds|talk]]) 17:22, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

- When I set the page up, the idea was to list people that ringers would recognise as ringers so that when the pub perennial of 'has anyone famous ever rung' came up it would be possible to give a sensible answer. So I don't really see that someone chiming a bell once really counts. BUt this is a wiki and it don't belong to me... [[User:Gilesblundell|Gilesblundell]] ([[User talk:Gilesblundell|talk]]) 10:20, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Famous bellringers

2017-05-24T10:15:03Z

Gilesblundell: Ed Balls (yes, I know this is using the Daily Fail as a source...)

The following are people that members of the general public might have heard of who are known to have rung:

*[[Wikipedia: Ed Balls|Ed Balls]], politician<ref name = "Ed Balls">[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4496720/Ed-Balls-gives-answers-probing-questions.html Daily Mail - ‘Bell ringing is fascinating. I did it for years in my teens': Ed Balls gives his definitive answers to our most probing questions]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Kate Barker|Kate Barker]], economist<ref name="Kate Barker">[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/2790348/Bank-of-England-The-nine-people-who-set-UK-interest-rates.html The Telegraph - Bank of England: The nine people who set UK interest rates]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:John Betjeman|John Betjeman]], poet<ref name="John Betjeman">[http://nottoomuch.com/?page_id=2434 not too much - Betjeman]</ref>, (email from Bryan McCahey)
*[[Wikipedia:Jo Brand|Jo Brand]], comedian<ref name="Jo Brand">[http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/content/articles/2005/08/23/jo_brand_lifestyle_feature.shtml BBC - Jo Brand: a Kentish maid]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Louise Brealey|Louise Brealey]], journalist & actor (pathologist Molly Hooper in the BBC Series, Sherlock)<ref name="Louise Brealey">[https://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/2012/jan/22/louise-brealey-molly-sherlock-interview The Guardian - Louise Brealey: 'I don't think Molly is really Sherlock's type']</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:John Bunyan|John Bunyan]], author of "Pilgrim's Progress"<ref name="John Bunyan">[http://www.sounddoctrine.net/Classic_Sermons/John%20Bunyan/grace_abounding.html Grace Abounding to the Chief of Sinners]</ref>
*Ian Hay Davison<ref name="Ian Hay Davison Welcomed">[http://www.dulwich.org.uk/college/news-events/2015/09/16/ian-hay-davison-welcomed-as-a-fellow-of-dulwich-college Dulwich College - Ian Hay Davison Welcomed as a Fellow of Dulwich College]</ref>, former chief Executive of Lloyds of London<ref name="Ian Hay Davison">[http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/the-kippertie-maker-who-triumphed-over-maxwell-1259302.html Independent - The kipper-tie maker who triumphed over Maxwell]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:John Harrison|John Harrison]], clockmaker, "Longitude"<ref name="John Harrison">[http://www.lucytune.com/radnums.html Radical Numbers]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Derek Hatton|Derek Hatton]], politician (email from Geoff Sparling)
*[[Wikipedia:Philip Hollobone|Philip Hollobone]], MP<ref name="Philip Hollobone">[http://www.conservatives.com/People/Members_of_Parliament/Hollobone_Philip.aspx Conservatives - Philip Hollobone]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Robin McKinley|Robin McKinley]], author<ref name="Robin McKinley">[http://www.robinmckinley.com/blog.php Robin McKinley's Blog. Days in the Life]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Ian McMillan|Ian McMillan]], poet<ref name="Ian McMillan">[http://www.bigissue.com/features/5415/ian-mcmillan-how-to-impress-female-bell-ringers The Big Issue - Iam McMillan: How to Impress Female Bell Ringers]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Timmy Mallett|Timmy Mallett]], television performer<ref name="Timmy Mallett">[http://www.brillianttv.co.uk/timmymallett/bells.html The Utterly Brilliant Timmy Mallett - New Bells at Holy Trinity Church Cookham]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Norma Major|Norma Major]], wife of former Prime Minister<ref name="Norma Major">[http://stpeterschertsey.f2s.com/ChertseyDistrict/news/jan08.htm Guildford Diocesan Guild of Church Bell Ringers - Chertsey District Newsletter January 2008]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Frank Muir|Frank Muir]], entertainment writer and performer<ref name="Frank Muir">[https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=mjsbZ6eTeQoC&pg=PA54&lpg=PA54&dq=%22frank+muir%22+bell+ring&source=bl&ots=i-15a27JzH&sig=uusV56eopUZseKEbENqY_YX8XMg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj21NbOg6TOAhUkDcAKHdkMCiEQ6AEIOTAF#v=onepage&q=%22frank%20muir%22%20bell%20ring&f=false pp 54-5 Muir, Frank 'A Kentish Lad', Corgi Books, 1998]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Monty Noble|Monty Noble]], Australian cricket captain 1903-4<ref name="Monty Noble">The Ringing World, 2 May, 1913</ref>, (email from Jim Shepherd)
*[[Wikipedia:Maggie Philbin|Maggie Philbin]], television presenter (email from Bryan McCahey)
*[[Wikipedia:Paul Revere|Paul Revere]], American revolutionary<ref name="Paul Revere">[http://oldnorth.com/bellringing/ The Old North Foundation - Bell Ringing]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Jon Shanklin|Jon Shanklin]], discovered the hole in the ozone layer in 1985<ref name="Jon Shanklin">[https://www.bas.ac.uk/profile/jdsh/ British Antarctic Survey - Jonathan Shanklin]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Donald Sinden|Donald Sinden]], actor (email from Bryan McCahey)
*[[Wikipedia:Alan Titchmarsh|Alan Titchmarsh]], celebrity gardener<ref name="Alan Titchmarsh">[http://www.my-tool-shed.co.uk/blog/2011/07/alan-titchmarsh-celebrity-gardener-profile/ MyToolShed.co.uk - Alan Titchmarsh]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Victoria Wood|Victoria Wood]], playwright & comedian<ref name="Victoria Wood">[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqq6DOMCto4 Victoria Wood - Live at the Albert 2001]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Patrick Mayhew|Patrick Mayhew]], politician<ref name="Patrick Mayhew">[http://kcacr.org.uk/lord-patrick-mayhew/ Kent County Association of Change Ringers - Lord Patrick Mayhew]</ref>

== People taught to ring for a broadcast performance only ==

*[[Wikipedia:John Barrowman|John Barrowman]], TV personality on the [[Wikipedia:Royal Jubilee Bells|Royal Jubilee Bells]] as part of the 2012 [[Wikipedia:Thames Diamond Jubilee Pageant|Thames Diamond Jubilee Pageant]]
*[[Wikipedia:Peter Benson (actor)|Peter Benson]], actor in Heartbeat: For Whom the Bell Tolls<ref name="For Whom the Bell Tolls">[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0598853/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl IMDb - Heartbeat, For Whom the Bell Tolls, Plot Summary]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Dugald Bruce Lockhart|Dugald Bruce Lockhart]], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead<ref name="Ring Out Your Dead">[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm Midsomer Murders - Ring Out Your Dead]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Jamie de Courcey|Jamie de Courcey]], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead<ref name="Ring Out Your Dead">[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm Midsomer Murders - Ring Out Your Dead]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Evan Davis|Evan Davis]], economist, journalist and presenter for the BBC<ref name="Evan Davis">[http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_8126000/8126215.stm Today - Evan's lesson in bell ringing]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Peter Davison|Peter Davison]], actor in [[Wikipedia:All Creatures Great and Small (TV_series)|All Creatures Great and Small]] (3 episodes - specific episode in which he rings not yet identified)
*[[Wikipedia:Ade Edmondson|Ade Edmondson]], comedian, actor, writer, musician, television presenter and director<ref name="Ade Edmondson">[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJNQJQHA5v4 ITV Daytime - Ade Edmondson]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Ardal O'Hanlon|Ardal O'Hanlon]], comedian in I've Never Seen Star Wars<ref name="Ardal O'Hanlon">[http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00rms97 I've Never Seen Star Wars - Ardal O'Hanlon]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Geoffrey Hughes|Geoffrey Hughes]], actor in Heartbeat: For Whom the Bell Tolls<ref name="For Whom the Bell Tolls">[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0598853/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl IMDb - Heartbeat, For Whom the Bell Tolls, Plot Summary]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:David Lonsdale|David Lonsdale]], actor in Heartbeat: For Whom the Bell Tolls<ref name="For Whom the Bell Tolls">[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0598853/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl IMDb - Heartbeat, For Whom the Bell Tolls, Plot Summary]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Lyndsey Marshal|Lyndsey Marshal]], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead<ref name="Ring Out Your Dead">[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm Midsomer Murders - Ring Out Your Dead]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Francis Matthews_ (actor)|Francis Matthews]], actor in Heartbeat: For Whom the Bell Tolls<ref name="For Whom the Bell Tolls">[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0598853/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl IMDb - Heartbeat, For Whom the Bell Tolls, Plot Summary]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Adrian Scarborough|Adrian Scarborough]], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead<ref name="Ring Out Your Dead">[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm Midsomer Murders - Ring Out Your Dead]</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Chris Serle|Chris Serle]], broadcaster for 'In at the Deep End ' (BBC TV) (emails to change-ringers list)
*[[Wikipedia:Gwen Taylor|Gwen Taylor]], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead<ref name="Ring Out Your Dead">[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm Midsomer Murders - Ring Out Your Dead]</ref>
*Seamus Whitty<ref name="Seamus Whittey biog">[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1469301/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm IMDb - Seamus Whittey]</ref>, actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead<ref name="Ring Out Your Dead">[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm Midsomer Murders - Ring Out Your Dead]</ref>

==References==
<references/>

Famous bellringers

2016-01-02T14:39:24Z

Gilesblundell: Per c-r, Ian McMillan, Chris Serle. Also Ardal O'Hanlon

The following are people that members of the general public might have heard of who are known to have rung:

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Barker Kate Barker], economist [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/2790348/Bank-of-England-The-nine-people-who-set-UK-interest-rates.html]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Betjeman John Betjeman], poet (email from Bryan McCahey)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo_Brand Jo Brand], comedian [http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/content/articles/2005/08/23/jo_brand_lifestyle_feature.shtml]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Brealey Louise Brealey], journalist & actor (pathologist Molly Hooper in the BBC Series, Sherlock)
[http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2012/jan/22/louise-brealey-molly-sherlock-interview]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bunyan John Bunyan], author of "Pilgrim's Progress" [http://www.sounddoctrine.net/Classic_Sermons/John%20Bunyan/grace_abounding.html]

Ian Hay Davison, former chief Executive of Lloyds of London [http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/the-kippertie-maker-who-triumphed-over-maxwell-1259302.html]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harrison John Harrison], clockmaker, "Longitude". [http://www.lucytune.com/radnums.html]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Hatton Derek Hatton], politician (email from Geoff Sparling)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Hollobone Philip Hollobone], MP [http://www.conservatives.com/People/Members_of_Parliament/Hollobone_Philip.aspx]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_McKinley Robin McKinley], author [http://www.robinmckinley.com/etc/interview_20hundred.php]

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_McMillan_%28poet%29 Ian McMillan], poet [http://www.bigissue.com/features/5415/ian-mcmillan-how-to-impress-female-bell-ringers]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timmy_Mallett Timmy Mallett], television performer [http://www.brillianttv.co.uk/timmymallett/bells.html]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norma_Major Norma Major], wife of former Prime Minister [http://stpeterschertsey.f2s.com/ChertseyDistrict/news/jan08.htm]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Muir Frank Muir], entertainment writer and performer (pp 54-5 Muir, Frank 'A Kentish Lad', Corgi Books, 1998)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Noble Monty Noble], Australian cricket captain 1903-4 (email from Jim Shepherd)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maggie_Philbin Maggie Philbin], television presenter (email from Bryan McCahey)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Revere Paul Revere], American revolutionary [http://www.oldnorth.com/history/bellringing.htm]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Shanklin Jon Shanklin], discovered the hole in the ozone layer in 1985

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Sinden Donald Sinden], actor (email from Bryan McCahey)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Titchmarsh Alan Titchmarsh], celebrity gardener [http://www.my-tool-shed.co.uk/blog/2011/07/alan-titchmarsh-celebrity-gardener-profile/]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Wood Victoria Wood], playwright & comedian [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqq6DOMCto4]

== People taught to ring for a broadcast performance only ==

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Barrowman John Barrowman], TV personality on the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Jubilee_Bells Royal Jubilee Bells] as part of the 2012 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thames_Diamond_Jubilee_Pageant Thames Diamond Jubilee Pageant]

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Benson_%28actor%29 Peter Benson], actor in Heartbeat: For Whom the Bell Tolls [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0598853/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dugald_Bruce_Lockhart Dugald Bruce-Lockhart], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead
[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_de_Courcey Jamie de Courcey], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead
[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_Davis Evan Davis], economist, journalist and presenter for the BBC
[http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_8126000/8126215.stm]

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Davison Peter Davison], actor in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Creatures_Great_and_Small_%28TV_series%29 All Creatures Great and Small](3 episodes - specific episode in which he rings not yet identified)

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardal_O'Hanlon Ardal O'Hanlon], comedian in I've Never Seen Star Wars [http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00rms97]

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_Hughes Geoffrey Hughes], actor in Heartbeat: For Whom the Bell Tolls [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0598853/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl]

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lonsdale David Lonsdale], actor in Heartbeat: For Whom the Bell Tolls [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0598853/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndsey_Marshal Lyndsey Marshal], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead
[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm]

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Matthews_%28actor%29 Francis Matthews], actor in Heartbeat: For Whom the Bell Tolls [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0598853/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Scarborough Adrian Scarborough], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead
[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm]

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Serle Chris Serle], broadcaster for 'In at the Deep End ' (BBC TV) (emails to change-ringers list)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwen_Taylor Gwen Taylor], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead
[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm]

[http://www.modernartistsgallery.com/artistdetails/89_SeamusWhitty.php Seamus Whitty], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead
[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm]

Famous bellringers

2016-01-01T15:39:43Z

Gilesblundell: John Barrowman

The following are people that members of the general public might have heard of who are known to have rung:

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Barker Kate Barker], economist [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/2790348/Bank-of-England-The-nine-people-who-set-UK-interest-rates.html]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Betjeman John Betjeman], poet (email from Bryan McCahey)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo_Brand Jo Brand], comedian [http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/content/articles/2005/08/23/jo_brand_lifestyle_feature.shtml]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Brealey Louise Brealey], journalist & actor (pathologist Molly Hooper in the BBC Series, Sherlock)
[http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2012/jan/22/louise-brealey-molly-sherlock-interview]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bunyan John Bunyan], author of "Pilgrim's Progress" [http://www.sounddoctrine.net/Classic_Sermons/John%20Bunyan/grace_abounding.html]

Ian Hay Davison, former chief Executive of Lloyds of London [http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/the-kippertie-maker-who-triumphed-over-maxwell-1259302.html]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harrison John Harrison], clockmaker, "Longitude". [http://www.lucytune.com/radnums.html]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Hatton Derek Hatton], politician (email from Geoff Sparling)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Hollobone Philip Hollobone], MP [http://www.conservatives.com/People/Members_of_Parliament/Hollobone_Philip.aspx]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_McKinley Robin McKinley], author [http://www.robinmckinley.com/etc/interview_20hundred.php]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timmy_Mallett Timmy Mallett], television performer [http://www.brillianttv.co.uk/timmymallett/bells.html]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norma_Major Norma Major], wife of former Prime Minister [http://stpeterschertsey.f2s.com/ChertseyDistrict/news/jan08.htm]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Muir Frank Muir], entertainment writer and performer (pp 54-5 Muir, Frank 'A Kentish Lad', Corgi Books, 1998)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Noble Monty Noble], Australian cricket captain 1903-4 (email from Jim Shepherd)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maggie_Philbin Maggie Philbin], television presenter (email from Bryan McCahey)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Revere Paul Revere], American revolutionary [http://www.oldnorth.com/history/bellringing.htm]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Shanklin Jon Shanklin], discovered the hole in the ozone layer in 1985

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Sinden Donald Sinden], actor (email from Bryan McCahey)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Titchmarsh Alan Titchmarsh], celebrity gardener [http://www.my-tool-shed.co.uk/blog/2011/07/alan-titchmarsh-celebrity-gardener-profile/]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Wood Victoria Wood], playwright & comedian [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqq6DOMCto4]

== People taught to ring for a broadcast performance only ==

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Barrowman John Barrowman], TV personality on the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Jubilee_Bells Royal Jubilee Bells] as part of the 2012 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thames_Diamond_Jubilee_Pageant Thames Diamond Jubilee Pageant]

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Benson_%28actor%29 Peter Benson], actor in Heartbeat: For Whom the Bell Tolls [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0598853/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dugald_Bruce_Lockhart Dugald Bruce-Lockhart], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead
[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_de_Courcey Jamie de Courcey], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead
[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_Davis Evan Davis], economist, journalist and presenter for the BBC
[http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_8126000/8126215.stm]

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Davison Peter Davison], actor in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Creatures_Great_and_Small_%28TV_series%29 All Creatures Great and Small](3 episodes - specific episode in which he rings not yet identified)

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_Hughes Geoffrey Hughes], actor in Heartbeat: For Whom the Bell Tolls [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0598853/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl]

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lonsdale David Lonsdale], actor in Heartbeat: For Whom the Bell Tolls [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0598853/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndsey_Marshal Lyndsey Marshal], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead
[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm]

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Matthews_%28actor%29 Francis Matthews], actor in Heartbeat: For Whom the Bell Tolls [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0598853/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Scarborough Adrian Scarborough], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead [
[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwen_Taylor Gwen Taylor], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead
[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm]

[http://www.modernartistsgallery.com/artistdetails/89_SeamusWhitty.php Seamus Whitty], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead
[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm]

Famous bellringers

2016-01-01T15:31:32Z

Gilesblundell: Additional names per c-r discussion Sept 2015: alphabetise those ringing purely for tv shows

The following are people that members of the general public might have heard of who are known to have rung:

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Barker Kate Barker], economist [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/2790348/Bank-of-England-The-nine-people-who-set-UK-interest-rates.html]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Betjeman John Betjeman], poet (email from Bryan McCahey)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo_Brand Jo Brand], comedian [http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/content/articles/2005/08/23/jo_brand_lifestyle_feature.shtml]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Brealey Louise Brealey], journalist & actor (pathologist Molly Hooper in the BBC Series, Sherlock)
[http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2012/jan/22/louise-brealey-molly-sherlock-interview]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bunyan John Bunyan], author of "Pilgrim's Progress" [http://www.sounddoctrine.net/Classic_Sermons/John%20Bunyan/grace_abounding.html]

Ian Hay Davison, former chief Executive of Lloyds of London [http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/the-kippertie-maker-who-triumphed-over-maxwell-1259302.html]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harrison John Harrison], clockmaker, "Longitude". [http://www.lucytune.com/radnums.html]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Hatton Derek Hatton], politician (email from Geoff Sparling)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Hollobone Philip Hollobone], MP [http://www.conservatives.com/People/Members_of_Parliament/Hollobone_Philip.aspx]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_McKinley Robin McKinley], author [http://www.robinmckinley.com/etc/interview_20hundred.php]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timmy_Mallett Timmy Mallett], television performer [http://www.brillianttv.co.uk/timmymallett/bells.html]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norma_Major Norma Major], wife of former Prime Minister [http://stpeterschertsey.f2s.com/ChertseyDistrict/news/jan08.htm]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Muir Frank Muir], entertainment writer and performer (pp 54-5 Muir, Frank 'A Kentish Lad', Corgi Books, 1998)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Noble Monty Noble], Australian cricket captain 1903-4 (email from Jim Shepherd)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maggie_Philbin Maggie Philbin], television presenter (email from Bryan McCahey)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Revere Paul Revere], American revolutionary [http://www.oldnorth.com/history/bellringing.htm]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Shanklin Jon Shanklin], discovered the hole in the ozone layer in 1985

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Sinden Donald Sinden], actor (email from Bryan McCahey)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Titchmarsh Alan Titchmarsh], celebrity gardener [http://www.my-tool-shed.co.uk/blog/2011/07/alan-titchmarsh-celebrity-gardener-profile/]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Wood Victoria Wood], playwright & comedian [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqq6DOMCto4]

== People taught to ring for a broadcast performance only ==

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Benson_%28actor%29 Peter Benson], actor in Heartbeat: For Whom the Bell Tolls [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0598853/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dugald_Bruce_Lockhart Dugald Bruce-Lockhart], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead
[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_de_Courcey Jamie de Courcey], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead
[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_Davis Evan Davis], economist, journalist and presenter for the BBC
[http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_8126000/8126215.stm]

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Davison Peter Davison], actor in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Creatures_Great_and_Small_%28TV_series%29 All Creatures Great and Small](3 episodes - specific episode in which he rings not yet identified)

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_Hughes Geoffrey Hughes], actor in Heartbeat: For Whom the Bell Tolls [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0598853/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl]

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lonsdale David Lonsdale], actor in Heartbeat: For Whom the Bell Tolls [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0598853/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndsey_Marshal Lyndsey Marshal], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead
[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm]

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Matthews_%28actor%29 Francis Matthews], actor in Heartbeat: For Whom the Bell Tolls [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0598853/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Scarborough Adrian Scarborough], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead [
[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwen_Taylor Gwen Taylor], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead
[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm]

[http://www.modernartistsgallery.com/artistdetails/89_SeamusWhitty.php Seamus Whitty], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead
[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm]

Famous bellringers

2013-04-05T09:05:20Z

Gilesblundell: Alphabetise

The following are people that members of the general public might have heard of who are known to have rung:

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Barker Kate Barker], economist [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/2790348/Bank-of-England-The-nine-people-who-set-UK-interest-rates.html]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Betjeman John Betjeman], poet (email from Bryan McCahey)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo_Brand Jo Brand], comedian [http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/content/articles/2005/08/23/jo_brand_lifestyle_feature.shtml]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Brealey Louise Brealey], journalist & actress (pathologist Molly Hooper in the BBC Series, Sherlock)
[http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2012/jan/22/louise-brealey-molly-sherlock-interview]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bunyan John Bunyan], author of "Pilgrim's Progress" [http://www.sounddoctrine.net/Classic_Sermons/John%20Bunyan/grace_abounding.html]

Ian Hay Davison, former chief Executive of Lloyds of London [http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/the-kippertie-maker-who-triumphed-over-maxwell-1259302.html]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harrison John Harrison], clockmaker, "Longitude". [http://www.lucytune.com/radnums.html]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Hatton Derek Hatton], politician (email from Geoff Sparling)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Hollobone Philip Hollobone], MP [http://www.conservatives.com/People/Members_of_Parliament/Hollobone_Philip.aspx]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_McKinley Robin McKinley], author [http://www.robinmckinley.com/etc/interview_20hundred.php]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timmy_Mallett Timmy Mallett], television performer [http://www.brillianttv.co.uk/timmymallett/bells.html]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norma_Major Norma Major], wife of former Prime Minister [http://stpeterschertsey.f2s.com/ChertseyDistrict/news/jan08.htm]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Muir Frank Muir], entertainment writer and performer (pp 54-5 Muir, Frank 'A Kentish Lad', Corgi Books, 1998)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Noble Monty Noble], Australian cricket captain 1903-4 (email from Jim Shepherd)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maggie_Philbin Maggie Philbin], television presenter (email from Bryan McCahey)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Revere Paul Revere], American revolutionary [http://www.oldnorth.com/history/bellringing.htm]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Shanklin Jon Shanklin], discovered the hole in the ozone layer in 1985

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Sinden Donald Sinden], actor (email from Bryan McCahey)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Titchmarsh Alan Titchmarsh], celebrity gardener [http://www.my-tool-shed.co.uk/blog/2011/07/alan-titchmarsh-celebrity-gardener-profile/]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Wood Victoria Wood], playwright & comedian [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqq6DOMCto4]

== People taught to ring for a broadcast performance only ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_Davis Evan Davis], economist, journalist and presenter for the BBC
[http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_8126000/8126215.stm]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Scarborough Adrian Scarborough], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead [
[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwen_Taylor Gwen Taylor], actress in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead
[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dugald_Bruce_Lockhart Dugald Bruce-Lockhart], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead
[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_de_Courcey Jamie de Courcey], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead
[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndsey_Marshal Lyndsey Marshal], actress in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead
[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm]

[http://www.modernartistsgallery.com/artistdetails/89_SeamusWhitty.php Seamus Whitty], actor in Midsomer Murders: Ring out your dead
[http://midsomermurders.org/ringout.htm]

Income Tax and Wedding Fees

2011-11-25T16:09:45Z

Gilesblundell: copyedit; wikify to the extent of reducing how much by one author, lest anyone come along and revise, leaving Steve to take the blame...

__NOTOC__
===Those Wedding Fees===

Just in case you’re wondering who originally wrote this, he (Steve Coleman) explained that 'as well as being a ringer
I’m also a money person. I used to be one of the Central Council’s Independent Examiners - what most people
call, Auditors - and I do a lot of work with ringing and church accounts too. Professionally I also used to be a
rather senior Inspector of Taxes. So it’s not surprising that among the purely ringing questions people send me,
I also get a fair few money questions.'

'''''I’ve just read a most disturbing article about the burgeoning mountain of middle class crime, and I fear I am myself a pebble in that mountain. It’s four years since I started ringing for weddings, yet in all that time I haven’t declared a single wedding fee on my tax return. Small stabs of guilt are niggling me, so if you can give me absolution - or, better still, justification - I’d be really grateful.''''' SW - West Midlands

By great good fortune I can give you both. But since, by your own admission, you’re middle class,
middle aged and - I suspect - a middle brow ringer to boot, you won’t just want an answer, you’ll want an
explanation to go with it.

===The System===

So beginning at the beginning, in this country, tax - thank the Lord - is purely a matter of law. There
are no bribes and no extortion, and nothing you receive is taxable unless the law says it is.
But good though that is, tax law is unfortunately fantastically complex. The statutes themselves amount
to several thousand pages, whilst the judicial interpretation of all those pages fills dozens of stout volumes.
So if anyone tells you that your question is a simple one, don’t believe them.

That said, it could be worse, because in a mere page or so, the law sets out a handful of categories that
a chunk of income must fall into if it’s to be taxable. And that’s because not all income is taxable. Gifts aren’t,
for example, nor are betting wins or the money you get for your old car when you buy a new one.
So we have to look at each taxing category in turn and see if wedding fees fall into it.
It’s rather like doing one of those Sunday newspaper puzzles. You ask yourself one question after another and keep ruling things out.
"Is a wedding fee income from property?" No. "Is it interest on money?" No. "Is it a dividend from an overseas company?" No.

No trouble with any of those. They’re simple questions with simple answers and most of the other
questions are just as simple. But when you’ve eliminated all the simple ones, there are four questions left that need answering.

===Employment?===

So first, are your wedding fees income from an employment? Are you in some way employed as a bell
ringer? And you ask yourself that question because, as I’m sure you know, for tax purposes almost all earned
income is divided into two categories: income from employment - often known as Pay as You Earn - and
income from sell-employment - often known as Pay as You Please. And once you’ve asked that question, it
won’t take you a moment to reply, “Of course I’m not employed as a bell ringer.” No ordinary ringer is. There is
no contract of employment and nor are there any features of the arrangement which could lead anyone to think
that an employer/employee relationship exists. Judges have spent a vast amount of time considering what might
or might not be considered an employment, but they’d take one look at this situation and say the answer’s just
plain obvious.

Of course, if you were employed as something else - a cathedral verger, say - and you had to ring for
weddings as part of your duties, your fees would be taxable, but that’s getting decidedly theoretical.

===An Office Holder?===

More obscurely, Schedule E - which is what the employment bit of tax law is technically called - also
applies to people who hold an “Office” and who get income from that “Office”. And I say “obscurely” because
no one’s entirely sure what an “Office” is. By and large, “Offices” are likely to be long-standing and vaguely
prestigious posts, or posts that exist under some form of written constitution - the sort of posts that seem to
exist whether someone fills them or not. The Master of the Queen’s Horse, for example,
or the Lord Lieutenant of the County, or the Ringing Master of an Association. Closer to the mark, vicars were
always considered to hold an office - although there’s some doubt about that now - and church organists were looked
on similarly. So might ringers also be considered to be office holders?

Well, almost certainly not. In most churches the local band is a vague kind of thing. It has no fixed
size, no terms of appointment and no written or centuries-old constitution. Any tax inspector who tried to pin an
office on you would be quickly told to spend their time looking at something more sensible.
Just possibly - and I’m speaking entirely theoretically here - it could be suggested that one or two tower
captains hold an office. If so, their wedding fees would be taxable while the rest of the band’s wouldn’t be. But
that would be such a bizarre situation that no sensible tax inspector would try to suggest it. So on Schedule E
grounds, you’re safe.

===Self-Employed?===

But could you be self-employed? Could you have the trade or profession of “bell ringer”? Well, nothing in the
statutes says what a trade or profession is, and judges have spent a really huge amount of time over the past 100
years considering exactly that - normally when someone’s made a very large sum of money by buying and selling
something. Boiled right down, the test is whether you have arranged your affairs with the primary aim of making money,
or whether such money as you receive is just incidental to your private life or hobby. Quite clearly, wedding fees
fall in the latter category.

But if we’re just supposing, it’s possible that someone could organise themselves to ring at five
weddings every Saturday at £20 a time solely because they wanted the money, and it could then be suggested
that such a person was in trade. A tax inspector would have a distinctly uphill task trying to prove it, though.

===Case VI===

And you might think that that would be that, but unfortunately there’s also a small “catch everything
else” section called Case VI of Schedule D. It claims to tax, “... any annual profits or gains not falling under
any other Case of Schedule D and not charged by virtue of Schedule A or Schedule E ...“
And at first sight that looks like it could be a tricky one because surely a wedding fee must be some
kind of “profit or gain.” Well, you might think so, but while tax inspectors are rather fond of catch all
legislation, judges certainly aren’t, and over the years they’ve come to the rescue in severely limiting what Case VI
can catch. So first, only money received under an enforceable contract is taxable under Case VI, and
although contracts can be oral as well as written, it would be very difficult indeed to suggest that wedding
ringers have entered into a contract.

For a start, it would be hard to pin down who the contract could be with - the church? The vicar? the
bride’s father? the best man? The tower captain? And secondly, the arrangements are so vague as to who rings,
when they ring and what they ring, that an enforceable contract could hardly be considered to exist.
Of course, lawyers are always happy to assert remote possibilities with each other, and I dare say that
at this very moment ringing lawyers all over the country are itching to put pen to paper with a counter view. But
tax inspectors are practical people not vague theorists, and they would readily agree that no contract exists.
And second, even if a contract did exist, you could still claim to set your expenses against the fees
received. Those expenses wouldn’t include your costs of going to practice nights or buying ringing books or
anything like that, but they would include travelling expenses, and with a little thought you could easily get
them large enough to wipe out your fee.

===The Bottom Line===

So the bottom line is, you’re safe. Your wedding fees are not taxable, they shouldn’t be included in
your tax return and you aren’t part of the middle class crime mountain. Of course, if you do include your fees on
your tax return the Revenue will tax them, because it’s their job to tax everything that gets put on tax returns.
But that will be your fault not theirs. And if sometime in the past you asked a tax person whether your wedding
fees were taxable, and you got the answer that they were, don’t feel cross. As I said earlier, tax isn’t simple, and
you need to have all the facts of any situation if you’re going to come to the right conclusion.
Quite likely you didn’t give the person all the facts.

===In Practice===

Of course, tax inspectors are much too busy tackling large scale evasion to bother about a handful of
wedding fees, so you’re most unlikely ever to be challenged about them. But from time to time a few ringers at
cathedrals and large churches have had a problem. Their church authorities have been handing out quite large
amounts of money to a variety of people - including professional musicians - and not deducting tax as they
should have done. When the tax inspector has sorted things out, the ringers’ wedding fees have been swept up
along with everything else.

So if - just remotely if - a tax inspector wants to start taxing your fees - either through your tax return
or, more likely, by deduction - show them this article. If they still can’t agree, make a politely worded complaint
and show this article to their boss. And if their boss can’t agree, make an equally polite complaint to their Regional
Office. That, at least, should sort it.

Absolution is yours!

==References==
#Ringing and Money by Steve Coleman, [[The Ringing World]], Issue 4991/92.

[[Category: Articles]]

Income Tax and Wedding Fees

2011-11-25T16:00:31Z

Gilesblundell: rv vandalism / spamming

__NOTOC__
===Those Wedding Fees===

Just in case you’re wondering why I’m writing this, I’d better explain that as well as being a ringer
I’m also a money person. I used to be one of the Central Council’s Independent Examiners - what most people
call, Auditors - and I do a lot of work with ringing and church accounts too. Professionally I also used to be a
rather senior Inspector of Taxes. So it’s not surprising that among the purely ringing questions people send me,
I also get a fair few money questions. And it’s those questions that this series is all about.

'''''I’ve just read a most disturbing article about the burgeoning mountain of middle class crime, and I fear I am myself a pebble in that mountain. It’s four years since I started ringing for weddings, yet in all that time I haven’t declared a single wedding fee on my tax return. Small stabs of guilt are niggling me, so if you can give me absolution - or, better still, justification - I’d be really grateful.''''' SW - West Midlands

By great good fortune I can give you both. But since, by your own admission, you’re middle class,
middle aged and - I suspect - a middle brow ringer to boot, you won’t just want an answer, you’ll want an
explanation to go with it.

===The System===

So beginning at the beginning, in this country, tax - thank the Lord - is purely a matter of law. There
are no bribes and no extortion, and nothing you receive is taxable unless the law says it is.
But good though that is, tax law is unfortunately fantastically complex. The statutes themselves amount
to several thousand pages, whilst the judicial interpretation of all those pages fills dozens of stout volumes.
So if anyone tells you that your question is a simple one, don’t believe them.

That said, it could be worse, because in a mere page or so, the law sets out a handful of categories that
a chunk of income must fall into if it’s to be taxable. And that’s because not all income is taxable. Gifts aren’t,
for example, nor are betting wins or the money you get for your old car when you buy a new one.
So we have to look at each taxing category in turn and see if wedding fees fall into it.
It’s rather like doing one of those Sunday newspaper puzzles. You ask yourself one question after another and keep ruling things out.
"Is a wedding fee income from property?" No. "Is it interest on money?" No. "Is it a dividend from an overseas company?" No.

No trouble with any of those. They’re simple questions with simple answers and most of the other
questions are just as simple. But when you’ve eliminated all the simple ones, there are four questions left that
need Employment?

So first, are your wedding fees income from an employment? Are you in some way employed as a bell
ringer? And you ask yourself that question because, as I’m sure you know, for tax purposes almost all earned
income is divided into two categories: income from employment - often known as Pay as You Earn - and
income from sell-employment - often known as Pay as You Please. And once you’ve asked that question, it
won’t take you a moment to reply, “Of course I’m not employed as a bell ringer.” No ordinary ringer is. There is
no contract of employment and nor are there any features of the arrangement which could lead anyone to think
that an employer/employee relationship exists. Judges have spent a vast amount of time considering what might
or might not be considered an employment, but they’d take one look at this situation and say the answer’s just
plain obvious.

Of course, if you were employed as something else - a cathedral verger, say - and you had to ring for
weddings as part of your duties, your fees would be taxable, but that’s getting decidedly theoretical.

===An Office Holder?===

More obscurely, Schedule E - which is what the employment bit of tax law is technically called - also
applies to people who hold an “Office” and who get income from that “Office”. And I say “obscurely” because
no one’s entirely sure what an “Office” is. By and large, “Offices” are likely to be long-standing and vaguely
prestigious posts, or posts that exist under some form of written constitution - the sort of posts that seem to
exist whether someone fills them or not. The Master of the Queen’s Horse, for example,
or the Lord Lieutenant of the County, or the Ringing Master of an Association Closer to the mark, vicars were
always considered to hold an office - although there’s some doubt about that now - and church organists were looked
on similarly. So might ringers also be considered to be office holders?

Well, almost certainly not. In most churches the local band is a vague kind of thing. It has no fixed
size, no terms of appointment and no written or centuries-old constitution. Any tax inspector who tried to pin an
office on you would be quickly told to spend their time looking at something more sensible.
Just possibly - and I’m speaking entirely theoretically here - it could be suggested that one or two tower
captains hold an office. If so, their wedding fees would be taxable while the rest of the band’s wouldn’t be. But
that would be such a bizarre situation that no sensible tax inspector would try to suggest it. So on Schedule E
grounds, you’re safe.

===Self-Employed?===

But could you be self-employed? Could you have the trade or profession of “bell ringer”? Well, nothing in the
statutes says what a trade or profession is, and judges have spent a really huge amount of time over the past 100
years considering exactly that - normally when someone’s made a very large sum of money by buying and selling
something. Boiled right down, the test is whether you have arranged your affairs with the primary aim of making money,
or whether such money as you receive is just incidental to your private life or hobby. Quite clearly, wedding fees
fall in the latter category.

But if we’re just supposing, it’s possible that someone could organise themselves to ring at five
weddings every Saturday at £20 a time solely because they wanted the money, and it could then be suggested
that such a person was in trade. A tax inspector would have a distinctly uphill task trying to prove it, though.

===Case VI===

And you might think that that would be that, but unfortunately there’s also a small “catch everything
else” section called Case VI of Schedule D. It claims to tax, “... any annual profits or gains not falling under
any other Case of Schedule D and not charged by virtue of Schedule A or Schedule E ...“
And at first sight that looks like it could be a tricky one because surely a wedding fee must be some
kind of “profit or gain.” Well, you might think so, but while tax inspectors are rather fond of catch all
legislation, judges certainly aren’t, and over the years they’ve come to the rescue in severely limiting what Case VI
can catch. So first, only money received under an enforceable contract is taxable under Case VI, and
although contracts can be oral as well as written, it would be very difficult indeed to suggest that wedding
ringers have entered into a contract.

For a start, it would be hard to pin down who the contract could be with - the church? The vicar? the
bride’s father? the best man? The tower captain? And secondly, the arrangements are so vague as to who rings,
when they ring and what they ring, that an enforceable contract could hardly be considered to exist.
Of course, lawyers are always happy to assert remote possibilities with each other, and I dare say that
at this very moment ringing lawyers all over the country are itching to put pen to paper with a counter view. But
tax inspectors are practical people not vague theorists, and they would readily agree that no contract exists.
And second, even if a contract did exist, you could still claim to set your expenses against the fees
received. Those expenses wouldn’t include your costs of going to practice nights or buying ringing books or
anything like that, but they would include travelling expenses, and with a little thought you could easily get
them large enough to wipe out your fee.

===The Bottom Line===

So the bottom line is, you’re safe. Your wedding fees are not taxable, they shouldn’t be included in
your tax return and you aren’t part of the middle class crime mountain. Of course, if you do include your fees on
your tax return the Revenue will tax them, because it’s their job to tax everything that gets put on tax returns.
But that will be your fault not theirs. And if sometime in the past you asked a tax person whether your wedding
fees were taxable, and you got the answer that they were, don’t feel cross. As I said earlier, tax isn’t simple, and
you need to have all the facts of any situation if you’re going to come to the right conclusion.
Quite likely you didn’t give the person all the facts.

===In Practice===

Of course, tax inspectors are much too busy tackling large scale evasion to bother about a handful of
wedding fees, so you’re most unlikely ever to be challenged about them. But from time to time a few ringers at
cathedrals and large churches have had a problem. Their church authorities have been handing out quite large
amounts of money to a variety of people - including professional musicians - and not deducting tax as they
should have done. When the tax inspector has sorted things out, the ringers’ wedding fees have been swept up
along with everything else.

So if - just remotely if - a tax inspector wants to start taxing your fees - either through your tax return
or, more likely, by deduction - show them this article. If they still can’t agree, make a politely worded complaint
and show this article to their boss. And if their boss can’t agree, make an equally polite complaint to their Regional
Office. That, at least, should sort it.

Absolution is yours!

Steve is happy to answer all other Ringing and Money questions.

==References==
#Ringing and Money by Steve Coleman, [[The Ringing World]], Issue 4991/92.

[[Category: Articles]]

Famous bellringers

2011-08-17T08:54:02Z

Gilesblundell: Barker, Hay Davison, separate category for those taught to ring for a broadcast item (presumably will include actors as well as journalists and Blue Peter presenters)

Famous bellringers

2011-08-14T13:21:13Z

Gilesblundell: Sinden

The following are people that members of the general public might have heard of who are known to have rung:

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Betjeman John Betjeman], poet (email from Bryan McCahey)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo_Brand Jo Brand], comedian [http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/content/articles/2005/08/23/jo_brand_lifestyle_feature.shtml]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bunyan John Bunyan], author of "Pilgrim's Progress" [http://www.sounddoctrine.net/Classic_Sermons/John%20Bunyan/grace_abounding.html]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Hatton Derek Hatton], politician (email from Geoff Sparling)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Hollobone Philip Hollobone], MP [http://www.conservatives.com/People/Members_of_Parliament/Hollobone_Philip.aspx]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_McKinley Robin McKinley], author [http://www.robinmckinley.com/etc/interview_20hundred.php]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timmy_Mallett Timmy Mallett], television performer [http://www.brillianttv.co.uk/timmymallett/bells.html]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norma_Major Norma Major], wife of former Prime Minister [http://stpeterschertsey.f2s.com/ChertseyDistrict/news/jan08.htm]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Muir Frank Muir], entertainment writer and performer(pp 54-5 Muir, Frank 'A Kentish Lad', Corgi Books, 1998)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Noble Monty Noble], Australian cricket captain 1903-4 (email from Jim Shepherd)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maggie_Philbin Maggie Philbin], television presenter (email from Bryan McCahey)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Revere Paul Revere], American revolutionary [http://www.oldnorth.com/history/bellringing.htm]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Sinden Donald Sinden], actor (email from Bryan McCahey)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Titchmarsh Alan Titchmarsh], celebrity gardener [http://www.my-tool-shed.co.uk/blog/2011/07/alan-titchmarsh-celebrity-gardener-profile/]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Wood Victoria Wood], playwright & comedian [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqq6DOMCto4]

Famous bellringers

2011-08-14T13:18:31Z

Gilesblundell: Philbin, Betjeman, Bunyan

The following are people that members of the general public might have heard of who are known to have rung:

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Betjeman John Betjeman], poet (email from Bryan McCahey)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo_Brand Jo Brand], comedian [http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/content/articles/2005/08/23/jo_brand_lifestyle_feature.shtml]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bunyan John Bunyan], author of "Pilgrim's Progress" [http://www.sounddoctrine.net/Classic_Sermons/John%20Bunyan/grace_abounding.html]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Hatton Derek Hatton], politician (email from Geoff Sparling)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Hollobone Philip Hollobone], MP [http://www.conservatives.com/People/Members_of_Parliament/Hollobone_Philip.aspx]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_McKinley Robin McKinley], author [http://www.robinmckinley.com/etc/interview_20hundred.php]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timmy_Mallett Timmy Mallett], television performer [http://www.brillianttv.co.uk/timmymallett/bells.html]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norma_Major Norma Major], wife of former Prime Minister [http://stpeterschertsey.f2s.com/ChertseyDistrict/news/jan08.htm]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Muir Frank Muir], entertainment writer and performer(pp 54-5 Muir, Frank 'A Kentish Lad', Corgi Books, 1998)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Noble Monty Noble], Australian cricket captain 1903-4 (email from Jim Shepherd)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maggie_Philbin Maggie Philbin], television presenter (email from Bryan McCahey)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Revere Paul Revere], American revolutionary [http://www.oldnorth.com/history/bellringing.htm]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Titchmarsh Alan Titchmarsh], celebrity gardener [http://www.my-tool-shed.co.uk/blog/2011/07/alan-titchmarsh-celebrity-gardener-profile/]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Wood Victoria Wood], playwright & comedian [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqq6DOMCto4]

Famous bellringers

2011-08-13T11:28:46Z

Gilesblundell: Delete Hogg (JEC)

The following are people that members of the general public might have heard of who are known to have rung:

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo_Brand Jo Brand], comedian [http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/content/articles/2005/08/23/jo_brand_lifestyle_feature.shtml]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Hatton Derek Hatton], politician (email from Geoff Sparling)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Hollobone Philip Hollobone], MP [http://www.conservatives.com/People/Members_of_Parliament/Hollobone_Philip.aspx]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_McKinley Robin McKinley], author [http://www.robinmckinley.com/etc/interview_20hundred.php]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timmy_Mallett Timmy Mallett], television performer [http://www.brillianttv.co.uk/timmymallett/bells.html]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norma_Major Norma Major], wife of former Prime Minister [http://stpeterschertsey.f2s.com/ChertseyDistrict/news/jan08.htm]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Muir Frank Muir], entertainment writer and performer(pp 54-5 Muir, Frank 'A Kentish Lad', Corgi Books, 1998)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Noble Monty Noble], Australian cricket captain 1903-4 (email from Jim Shepherd)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Revere Paul Revere], American revolutionary [http://www.oldnorth.com/history/bellringing.htm]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Titchmarsh Alan Titchmarsh], celebrity gardener [http://www.my-tool-shed.co.uk/blog/2011/07/alan-titchmarsh-celebrity-gardener-profile/]

Famous bellringers

2011-08-13T10:53:09Z

Gilesblundell: Hatton, Revere

The following are people that members of the general public might have heard of who are known to have rung:

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo_Brand Jo Brand], comedian [http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/content/articles/2005/08/23/jo_brand_lifestyle_feature.shtml]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Hatton Derek Hatton], politician (email from Geoff Sparling)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quintin_Hogg,_Baron_Hailsham_of_St_Marylebone Quintin Hogg (Lord Hailsham)], politician (email from Jim Shepherd)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Hollobone Philip Hollobone], MP [http://www.conservatives.com/People/Members_of_Parliament/Hollobone_Philip.aspx]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_McKinley Robin McKinley], author [http://www.robinmckinley.com/etc/interview_20hundred.php]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timmy_Mallett Timmy Mallett], television performer [http://www.brillianttv.co.uk/timmymallett/bells.html]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norma_Major Norma Major], wife of former Prime Minister [http://stpeterschertsey.f2s.com/ChertseyDistrict/news/jan08.htm]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Muir Frank Muir], entertainment writer and performer(pp 54-5 Muir, Frank 'A Kentish Lad', Corgi Books, 1998)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Noble Monty Noble], Australian cricket captain 1903-4 (email from Jim Shepherd)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Revere Paul Revere], American revolutionary [http://www.oldnorth.com/history/bellringing.htm]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Titchmarsh Alan Titchmarsh], celebrity gardener [http://www.my-tool-shed.co.uk/blog/2011/07/alan-titchmarsh-celebrity-gardener-profile/]

Famous bellringers

2011-08-13T09:48:42Z

Gilesblundell: Hogg, Noble per Jim Shepherd

The following are people that members of the general public might have heard of who are known to have rung:

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo_Brand Jo Brand], comedian [http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/content/articles/2005/08/23/jo_brand_lifestyle_feature.shtml]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quintin_Hogg,_Baron_Hailsham_of_St_Marylebone Quintin Hogg (Lord Hailsham)], politician (email from Jim Shepherd)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Hollobone Philip Hollobone], MP [http://www.conservatives.com/People/Members_of_Parliament/Hollobone_Philip.aspx]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_McKinley Robin McKinley], author [http://www.robinmckinley.com/etc/interview_20hundred.php]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timmy_Mallett Timmy Mallett], television performer [http://www.brillianttv.co.uk/timmymallett/bells.html]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norma_Major Norma Major], wife of former Prime Minister [http://stpeterschertsey.f2s.com/ChertseyDistrict/news/jan08.htm]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Muir Frank Muir], entertainment writer and performer(pp 54-5 Muir, Frank 'A Kentish Lad', Corgi Books, 1998)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Noble Monty Noble], Australian cricket captain 1903-4 (email from Jim Shepherd)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Titchmarsh Alan Titchmarsh], celebrity gardener [http://www.my-tool-shed.co.uk/blog/2011/07/alan-titchmarsh-celebrity-gardener-profile/]

Famous bellringers

2011-08-13T09:18:47Z

Gilesblundell: Hollobone, McKinley

Famous bellringers

2011-08-13T09:01:18Z

Gilesblundell: references

The following are people that members of the general public might have heard of who are known to have rung:

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo_Brand Jo Brand][http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/content/articles/2005/08/23/jo_brand_lifestyle_feature.shtml]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timmy_Mallett Timmy Mallett][http://www.brillianttv.co.uk/timmymallett/bells.html]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norma_Major Norma Major][http://stpeterschertsey.f2s.com/ChertseyDistrict/news/jan08.htm]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Muir Frank Muir](pp 54-5 Muir, Frank 'A Kentish Lad', Corgi Books, 1998)

Famous bellringers

2011-08-13T08:47:04Z

Gilesblundell: link to wikipedia..

The following are people that members of the general public might have heard of who are known to have rung:

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo_Brand Jo Brand]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timmy_Mallett Timmy Mallett]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norma_Major Norma Major]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Muir Frank Muir]

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2011-08-13T08:46:23Z

Gilesblundell: add Famous bellringers

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'''[[:Category:Articles|Miscellaneous Articles]]''' 
*[[Famous bellringers]]
*[[Income Tax and Wedding Fees]]
*[[National Bell Register]]
*[[Notable Achievements]]
*[[Press Release Guidance]]
*[[Ringing in Lent]]
*[[Skill distribution curve (the zones)|Skill Distribution Curve (the Zones)]]
*[[Wedding Fees]]
'''[[Ringing Forums|Ringing Forums and Email Lists]]''' 
*[[The Belfry Forums|Belfry Forums]]
*[[Change Ringers]]
*[[Drivel List]]
*[[From the E-lists]]
*[[Ringing Chat]]
*[[Ringing Theory]]
*[[Roundup]]
'''[[:Category:Societies|Societies]]''' 
*[[Northern Universities Association]]
*[[Old Societies]]
*[[University of London Society of Change Ringers]]
'''[[Ringing Roadshow]]''' 
*[[Ringing Roadshow 2005 Handbells]]
'''[[:Category:Ringing Fun|Fun]]''' 
*[[Holly Week]]
*[[King William College Quiz 2009-10]]
*[[King William College Quiz 2010-11]]
*[[Ringing Hoaxes]]
*[[:Category:Ringing Jokes|Ringing Jokes]]
*[[:Category:Ringing Poems|Ringing Poems]]
*[[Ringing Songs]]
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'''[[:Category:Bell History|Bell History]]''' 
*[[County Histories]]
*[[Early Wheel Development]]
'''[[:Category:Bells and Fittings|Bells & Fittings]]''' 
*[[Clapper]]
*[[Muffling Bells]]
*[[Ordering and Adjusting Bell Ropes]]
*[[Pre-stretched Polyester Ropes]]
*[[Sally]]
*[[Supporting Ironwork]]
'''[[Conducting]]''' 
*[[Coursing Order]]
*[[Conducting Stedman]]
'''[[Method Tips]]''' 
*[[Method Tips|All Stages]]
*[[Method Tips|Doubles]]
*[[Method Tips|Major]]
*[[Method Tips|Maximus]]
'''[[:Category:Terminology|Terminology]]''' 
*[[Bob]]
*[[Call]]
*[[Change]]
*[[Change-ringing]]
*[[Jump Change]]
*[[Music in Changeringing]]
*[[Row]]
*[[Stage]]
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'''[[:Category:Methods|Methods]]''' 
*[[Facts about Bristol Surprise Major]]
*[[Falsest Method]]
*[[Popular Surprise Major Methods]]
*[[Variants of Popular Methods]]
'''[[:Category:Composition|Composition]]''' 
*[[Compositions of the Decade]]
*[[Computer Composition Searches]]
*[[Spliced treble-dodging minor - Introduction|Spliced Treble-Dodging Minor]]
*[[Universal Compositions]]
'''[[Central Council Decisions]]''' 
*[[Calls that pass to another part of the same course]]
*[[Episode IV - A New Hope]]
*[[Harmonisation of Decisions]]
*[[Implications of New Decisions]]
*[[Naming new methods above Minor in quarter-peals]]
*[[New Decisions]]
*[[Norwich Axioms]]
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Famous bellringers

2011-08-13T08:40:02Z

Gilesblundell: Initial creation

The following are people that members of the general public might have heard of who are known to have rung:

Jo Brand
Timmy Mallett
Norma Major
Frank Muir

Wedding Fees

2010-08-18T14:05:44Z

Gilesblundell: /* List by Tower */ Liverpool Pier Head - correct previous brainstorm

A frequently asked question on the [[Change Ringers]] email list over the years has been - "How much do other towers charge for ringing at weddings?". This table has been compiled to record this information, and other towers are encouraged to add to it. In considering what is reasonable readers may wish to search for "average wedding costs" in google or similar. For instance [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2099898/Wedding-costs-soar-to-more-than-and16320,000.html The Telegraph] was reporting an average of £20,000, though this was pre-credit crunch.

At most towers, ringers tend to be paid from around £10 to £20, but it can be significantly more for some towers in London! Some towers also include a donation to the Bell Fund as well as their ringing so they may be higher than the rope fee times the number of Bells. If a tower has a separate tower fund it is a good idea to include a donation to the fund as you can get money to have an inspection on your bells every year.

At most towers, if they say both or after, they may also be able to just do before.

===NOTES:===
* At Chesterton, ringers get £10 each on Saturdays and £12 on weekdays. Ringer-up gets a fiver.
* At Eccleshall, ringers driving to get to the tower are paid an extra £2.
* At Harwich, local ringers tend not to take their money, although it is always offered. Visiting ringers are paid £10.
* At Rainhill, St Bart's has a reduced fee, approx 60%, for before or after. Flat rate for weekdays is £150 (£20 per rope).
* At Whitchurch, the Ringers Charge £2 extra per rope for Before and After.
* At Warfield, usually 8 bells are rung, but may be only 6 if shortage of people. Fees are being reviewed again in 2011 - likely to go up!
* At Churchdown, £60 from the fee goes to the tower fund, the fee for weekday weddings is £200 of which £80 goes to the tower fund.
* At St Clement Danes, the fees are £35 per ringer. With a choice of 6, 8 or ten. Fees are doubled if before and after is required. There is a fee of £20 paid for ringing the bells up before the service if ringing out is required. There is a fee of £20 for arranging the band. And the church gets a fee of £40. The new fees haven't meant a loss of requests for bells.
* At Clerkenwell there is a choice of 6 or 8. £25 per ringer. Fees doubled if ringing in and out is required. Double fee for the ringer ringing up the bells. Plus a tower fee of £25.

[[Category: Articles]]

==List by Tower==
{| style="color:blue;background-color:#ffffdd;" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"
! Tower || When ringing ||Rope Fee (£)||Total Fee (£)||Bells || Price from:
|-
| Abbots Langley, Herts || before & after ||   || 80.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| Albury, Herts || after only ||   || 90.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| Aldenham, St John Baptist, Herts, || after only || 15.00 || 150.00 || 8 || 2009-08-19
|-
| Aldridge, St Mary, West Mids || after only || 12.00 || 100.00 || 6 || 2007
|-
| Alfriston, St Andrew, Sussex, || after only || 8.00 || 50.00 || 6 || 2007-08-27
|-
| Anstey, Herts || after only ||   || 70.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| Apsley End, Herts || before & after ||   || 80.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| Aspenden, Herts || after only ||   || 80.00 || 8 ||2007
|-
| Aston Tirrold, Oxon, S Michael ||   || 15.00 || 90.00 || 6 || 2008-01-01
|-
| Barkway, Herts || after only ||   || 100.00 || 8 ||2007
|-
| Barley, Herts || after only ||   || 70.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| Barrow-upon-Humber, N Lincs. || after only || 5.00 || 60.00 || 8 || 2006-10-11
|-
| Barrowby, Lincs. || after only ||   || 105.00 || 6 || 2008-01-01
|-
| Beckenham, Kent, St George || Before & after || 15.00 ||   || 6-10 || 2006-08-09
|-
| Birmingham, St Paul 6 bells || before & after || 30.00 || 220.00 || 6 || 2006-10-10
|-
| Birmingham, St Paul 6 bells || before or after || 20.00 || 160.00 || 6 || 2006-10-10
|-
| Birmingham, St Paul 8 bells || before & after || 30.00 || 280.00 || 8 || 2006-10-10
|-
| Birmingham, St Paul 8 bells || before or after || 20.00 || 200.00 || 8 || 2006-10-10
|-
| Bishops Stortford, Herts || after only ||   || 100.00 || 10 ||2007
|-
| Bishopstoke, Hants, St Mary || after only || 12.00 || 120.00 || 8 || 2009-01-01
|-
| Blewbury, Oxon, S Michael & All Angels ||   || 15.00 || 120.00 || 8 || 2008-01-01
|-
| Boston, Massachusetts, Christ Church ||   ||   || 130.00 || 5-8 || 2005-09-25
|-
| Brailsford, Derbyshire || after only || 15.00 || 90.00 || 6 || 2007
|-
| Brailsford, Derbyshire || before & after || 20.00 || 120.00 || 6 || 2007
|-
| Brampton, Cambridgeshire || after only || 10.00 || 80.00 || 6 || 2007-01-01
|-
| Braughing, Herts || after only ||   || 80.00 || 8 ||2007
|-
| Brent Pelham, Herts || after only ||   || 70.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| Broughton, N Lincs || after only || 9.00 || 54.00 || 6 || 2006-10-11
|-
| Broughton, Staffs || before or after || 10.00 || 80.00 || 8 || 2008-03-01
|-
| Broxbourne, Herts || after only ||   || 80.00 || 8 ||2007
|-
| Bushey Heath, Herts || after only ||   || 90.00 || 8 ||2007
|-
| Bushey, Herts || after only ||   || 120.00 || 8 ||2007
|-
| Cambridge, Cambs, Gt St Mary || per session || 15.00 || 200.00 || 6-12 || 2009-04-05
|-
| Charlton Kings, Glos, St Mary || after only || 10.00 || 90.00 || 8 || 2008-06-05
|-
| Cheltenham, St Mark || after only || 10.00 || 100.00 || 6-8 || 2008-03-01
|-
| Cherry Hinton, Cambs || after only || 10.00 || 100.00 || 6 || 2008-03-01
|-
| Chesterfield, Derbys, St Mary & All Ss || any || 25.00 || 250.00 || 6-10 || 2009-01-01
|-
| Chesterton, Cambs, St Andrew || before & after || 20.00 || 150.00 || 6 || 2008-05-08
|-
| Chesterton, Cambs, St Andrew* || after only || 10.00 || 100.00 || 6 || 2006-02-17
|-
| Chipping Barnet, Herts || after only ||   || 100.00 || 8 ||2007
|-
| Churchdown, Gloucestershire* || before & after || 15.00 || 150.00 || 6 || 2008-08-01
|-
| Clerkenwell* || before after/both || 25/50 ||250/475 || 6-8 || 2009-01-11
|-
| Datchworth, Herts || after only ||   || 80.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| East Hagbourne, Oxon, S Andrew || after only || 15.00 || 120.00 || 8 || 2008-01-01
|-
| East Meon || after only || 10.00 || 120.00 || 8 || 2008-01-01
|-
| Eccleshall, Staffs || before & after || 17.00 || 150.00 || 8 || 2008-01-01
|-
| Eccleshall, Staffs || before or after || 7.00 || 67.30 || 8 || 2008-01-01
|-
| Edgbaston, Birmingham ||   || 25.00 || 250.00 || 8 || 2005-11-24
|-
| Elstree, Herts || after only ||   || 70.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| Finedon, Northants || after only || 10.00 || 80.00 || 8 || 2008
|-
| Flamstead, Herts || before & after ||   || 120.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| Furneaux Pelham, Herts || after only ||   || 60.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| Great Berkhamsted, Herts || after only ||   || 120.00 || 8 ||2007
|-
| Great Gaddesden, Herts || before & after ||   || 100.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| Great Hormead, Herts || after only ||   || 70.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| Great Horwood, Bucks. St James || both or after || 10.00 || 60.00 || 6 || 2007-11-17
|-
| Great Stanmore, Herts || after only ||   || 100.00 || 8 ||2007
|-
| Harpenden, Herts || after only ||   || 130.00 || 8 ||2007
|-
| Harwich, Essex* ||   || 10.00 || 100.00 || 6 || 2007-08-14
|-
| Hatfield, Herts || after only ||   || 150.00 || 10 ||2007
|-
| Hemel Hempstead, Herts || after only ||   || 120.00 || 8 ||2009
|-
| Hertford, All Saints, Herts || after only ||   || 80.00 || 10 ||2007
|-
| Hertford, St Andrew, Herts || after only ||   || 100.00 || 8 ||2007
|-
| Hunsdon, Herts || after only ||   || 60.00 || 8 ||2007
|-
| Kensington,St Mary Abbots || both or after || 40/80 ||400/800 || 10 || 2008
|-
| Kimpton, Herts || after only ||   || 72.00 || 8 ||2007
|-
| Kings Langley, Herts || before & after ||   || 130.00 || 8 ||2007
|-
| Langleybury, Herts || after only ||   || 60.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| Lemsford, Herts || after only ||   || 66.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| Little Gaddesden, Herts || after only ||   || 100.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| Little Hadham, Herts || after only ||   || 90.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| Little Munden, Herts || after only ||   || 60.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| Liverpool, Merseyside, Pier Head || after only || 20.00 || 160.00 || 6 || 2010-04-17
|-
| Liverpool, Merseyside, Tuebrook ||   || 15.00 || 90.00 || 6 || 2005-09-03
|-
| Llanfrechfa, Gwent, All Saints ||   || 5.00 || 50.00 || 6-8 || 2006-10-11
|-
| Llantarnam, Gwent, St Michael & All Angels||   || 6.00 || 40.00 || 6 || 2006-10-11
|-
| Melbourne, Derbys, SS Michael & Mary ||   || 10.00 || 100.00 || 8 || 2005-09-03
|-
| Much Hadham, Herts || after only ||   || 80.00 || 8 ||2007
|-
| Newcastle, Jesmond, || before & after || 10.00 || 80.00 || 8 || 2007-09-20
|-
| North Marston, Bucks. Assumption B.V.M || both or after || 10.00 || 70.00 || 6 || 2009-04-14
|-
| North Moreton, Oxon, All Saints ||   || 15.00 || 75.00 || 5 || 2008-01-01
|-
| North Mymms, Herts || before & after ||   || 150.00 || 8 ||2007
|-
| Northaw, Herts || after only ||   || 60.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| Northchurch, Herts || before & after ||   || 120.00 || 8 ||2007
|-
| Oaks-in-Charnwood, Leics, St James || after only || 10.00 || 100.00 || 8 || 2008-06-18
|-
| Quainton, Bucks. Holy Cross and St. Mary || both or after || 10.00 || 100.00 || 6-8 || 2008-04-14
|-
| Rainhill, Merseyside, St Bart's * || both or either || 15.00 || 120.00 || 6 || 2006-01-01
|-
| Redbourn, Herts || after only ||   || 130.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| Rickmansworth, Herts || before & after ||   || 140.00 || 10 ||2007
|-
| Ridge, Herts || before & after ||   || 80.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| Sandridge, Herts || after only ||   || 120.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| Sawbridgeworth, Herts || after only ||   || 100.00 || 8 ||2007
|-
| Scawby, Lincs ||   || 10.00 || 30.00 || 3 || 2006-10-11
|-
| Shedfield, Hants, St John the Baptist || after only || 12.00 || 120.00 || 8 || 2008 & 2009
|-
| Sheffield, Cathedral, SS Peter & Paul ||   || 12.00 || 150.00 || 8-12 || 2006-02-17
|-
| South Mymms, Herts || before & after ||   || 80.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| St Albans Abbey, Herts || after only ||   || 250.00 || 12 ||2007
|-
| St Albans, St Michael, Herts || after only ||   || 130.00 || 8 ||2007
|-
| St Albans, St Peter, Herts || after only ||   || 150.00 || 10 ||2007
|-
| St Albans, St Peter, Herts || before & after ||   || 180.00 || 10 ||2007
|-
| Staines, Surrey, St Mary / St Peter (same)|| before & after || 14.00 ||   || 8 || 2008
|-
| Staines, Surrey, St Mary / St Peter (same)|| before or after || 7.00 ||   || 8 || 2008
|-
| Standon, Herts || after only ||   || 60.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| Stoke-next-Guildford, Surrey, S.J.E. ||   || 15.00 || 120.00 || 6 || 2006-10-09
|-
| Sydney, St Mary's Cathedral || both || 24.18 || 241.76 || 8 || 2008-07-01
|-
| Sydney, St Philip's || both || 19.34 || 203.08 || 8 || 2006-08-01
|-
| Tewin, Herts || after only ||   || 90.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| Thorley, Herts || after only ||   || 100.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| Thrumpton, Nottingham || before & after || 22.00 || 150.00 || 6 || 2009-07-01
|-
| Tring, Herts || after only ||   || 80.00 || 8 ||2007
|-
| Waddington, Lincoln || after only || 6.00 ||   || 6 || 2008
|-
| Ware, Herts || after only ||   || 100.00 || 8 ||2007
|-
| Warfield, Bracknell * || after only || 12.00 || 130.00 || 8 || 2010
|-
| Wargrave, Berkshire || after only || 15.00 || 195.00 || 8 || 2009-05-21
|-
| Watton-at-Stone, Herts || after only ||   || 60.00 || 8 ||2007
|-
| Welwyn, Herts || after only ||   || 90.00 || 8 ||2007
|-
| Westminster,London,St Clement Danes || before or after/both|| 35/70 || 430/760|| 6-10|| 2009
|-
| Wheathampstead, Herts || after only ||   || 80.00 || 8 ||2007
|-
| Whitchurch, Bucks. St. John Evangelist || both or after* || 20.00 || 120.00 || 6 || 2008-01-23
|-
| Widcombe, Bath, || before & after || 20.00 || 160.00 || 8 || 2007-09-20
|-
| Widford, Herts || after only ||   || 60.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| Winslow, Bucks. St. Laurence || both or after || 10.00 || 80.00 || 8 || 2009-04-14
|-
| Worcester Cathedral ||   || 20.00 || 435.00 || 12 ||  
|-
| Yelvertoft, All Saints ||   || 10.00 || 60.00 || 6 || 2006-10-09
|}

Wedding Fees

2010-04-17T07:46:06Z

Gilesblundell: update Pier Head; reformat Finedon

A frequently asked question on the [[Change Ringers]] email list over the years has been - "How much do other towers charge for ringing at weddings?". This table has been compiled to record this information, and other towers are encouraged to add to it. In considering what is reasonable readers may wish to search for "average wedding costs" in google or similar. For instance [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2099898/Wedding-costs-soar-to-more-than-and16320,000.html The Telegraph] was reporting an average of £20,000, though this was pre-credit crunch.

At most towers, ringers tend to be paid from around £10 to £20, but it can be significantly more for some towers in London! Some towers also include a donation to the Bell Fund as well as their ringing so they may be higher than the rope fee times the number of Bells. If a tower has a separate tower fund it is a good idea to include a donation to the fund as you can get money to have an inspection on your bells every year.

At most towers, if they say both or after, they may also be able to just do before.

===NOTES:===
* At Chesterton, ringers get £10 each on Saturdays and £12 on weekdays. Ringer-up gets a fiver.
* At Eccleshall, ringers driving to get to the tower are paid an extra £2.
* At Harwich, local ringers tend not to take their money, although it is always offered. Visiting ringers are paid £10.
* At Rainhill, St Bart's has a reduced fee, approx 60%, for before or after. Flat rate for weekdays is £150 (£20 per rope).
* At Whitchurch, the Ringers Charge £2 extra per rope for Before and After.
* At Warfield, usually 8 bells are rung, but may be only 6 if shortage of people. Fees are being reviewed again in 2011 - likely to go up!
* At Churchdown, £60 from the fee goes to the tower fund, the fee for weekday weddings is £200 of which £80 goes to the tower fund.
* At St Clement Danes, the fees are £35 per ringer. With a choice of 6, 8 or ten. Fees are doubled if before and after is required. There is a fee of £20 paid for ringing the bells up before the service if ringing out is required. There is a fee of £20 for arranging the band. And the church gets a fee of £40. The new fees haven't meant a loss of requests for bells.
* At Clerkenwell there is a choice of 6 or 8. £25 per ringer. Fees doubled if ringing in and out is required. Double fee for the ringer ringing up the bells. Plus a tower fee of £25.

[[Category: Articles]]

==List by Tower==
{| style="color:blue;background-color:#ffffdd;" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="1"
! Tower || When ringing ||Rope Fee (£)||Total Fee (£)||Bells || Price from:
|-
| Abbots Langley, Herts || before & after ||   || 80.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| Albury, Herts || after only ||   || 90.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| Aldenham, St John Baptist, Herts, || after only || 15.00 || 150.00 || 8 || 2009-08-19
|-
| Aldridge, St Mary, West Mids || after only || 12.00 || 100.00 || 6 || 2007
|-
| Alfriston, St Andrew, Sussex, || after only || 8.00 || 50.00 || 6 || 2007-08-27
|-
| Anstey, Herts || after only ||   || 70.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| Apsley End, Herts || before & after ||   || 80.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| Aspenden, Herts || after only ||   || 80.00 || 8 ||2007
|-
| Aston Tirrold, Oxon, S Michael ||   || 15.00 || 90.00 || 6 || 2008-01-01
|-
| Barkway, Herts || after only ||   || 100.00 || 8 ||2007
|-
| Barley, Herts || after only ||   || 70.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| Barrow-upon-Humber, N Lincs. || after only || 5.00 || 60.00 || 8 || 2006-10-11
|-
| Barrowby, Lincs. || after only ||   || 105.00 || 6 || 2008-01-01
|-
| Beckenham, Kent, St George || Before & after || 15.00 ||   || 6-10 || 2006-08-09
|-
| Birmingham, St Paul 6 bells || before & after || 30.00 || 220.00 || 6 || 2006-10-10
|-
| Birmingham, St Paul 6 bells || before or after || 20.00 || 160.00 || 6 || 2006-10-10
|-
| Birmingham, St Paul 8 bells || before & after || 30.00 || 280.00 || 8 || 2006-10-10
|-
| Birmingham, St Paul 8 bells || before or after || 20.00 || 200.00 || 8 || 2006-10-10
|-
| Bishops Stortford, Herts || after only ||   || 100.00 || 10 ||2007
|-
| Bishopstoke, Hants, St Mary || after only || 12.00 || 120.00 || 8 || 2009-01-01
|-
| Blewbury, Oxon, S Michael & All Angels ||   || 15.00 || 120.00 || 8 || 2008-01-01
|-
| Boston, Massachusetts, Christ Church ||   ||   || 130.00 || 5-8 || 2005-09-25
|-
| Brailsford, Derbyshire || after only || 15.00 || 90.00 || 6 || 2007
|-
| Brailsford, Derbyshire || before & after || 20.00 || 120.00 || 6 || 2007
|-
| Brampton, Cambridgeshire || after only || 10.00 || 80.00 || 6 || 2007-01-01
|-
| Braughing, Herts || after only ||   || 80.00 || 8 ||2007
|-
| Brent Pelham, Herts || after only ||   || 70.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| Broughton, N Lincs || after only || 9.00 || 54.00 || 6 || 2006-10-11
|-
| Broughton, Staffs || before or after || 10.00 || 80.00 || 8 || 2008-03-01
|-
| Broxbourne, Herts || after only ||   || 80.00 || 8 ||2007
|-
| Bushey Heath, Herts || after only ||   || 90.00 || 8 ||2007
|-
| Bushey, Herts || after only ||   || 120.00 || 8 ||2007
|-
| Cambridge, Cambs, Gt St Mary || per session || 15.00 || 200.00 || 6-12 || 2009-04-05
|-
| Charlton Kings, Glos, St Mary || after only || 10.00 || 90.00 || 8 || 2008-06-05
|-
| Cheltenham, St Mark || after only || 10.00 || 100.00 || 6-8 || 2008-03-01
|-
| Cherry Hinton, Cambs || after only || 10.00 || 100.00 || 6 || 2008-03-01
|-
| Chesterfield, Derbys, St Mary & All Ss || any || 25.00 || 250.00 || 6-10 || 2009-01-01
|-
| Chesterton, Cambs, St Andrew || before & after || 20.00 || 150.00 || 6 || 2008-05-08
|-
| Chesterton, Cambs, St Andrew* || after only || 10.00 || 100.00 || 6 || 2006-02-17
|-
| Chipping Barnet, Herts || after only ||   || 100.00 || 8 ||2007
|-
| Churchdown, Gloucestershire* || before & after || 15.00 || 150.00 || 6 || 2008-08-01
|-
| Clerkenwell* || before after/both || 25/50 ||250/475 || 6-8 || 2009-01-11
|-
| Datchworth, Herts || after only ||   || 80.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| East Hagbourne, Oxon, S Andrew || after only || 15.00 || 120.00 || 8 || 2008-01-01
|-
| East Meon || after only || 10.00 || 120.00 || 8 || 2008-01-01
|-
| Eccleshall, Staffs || before & after || 17.00 || 150.00 || 8 || 2008-01-01
|-
| Eccleshall, Staffs || before or after || 7.00 || 67.30 || 8 || 2008-01-01
|-
| Edgbaston, Birmingham ||   || 25.00 || 250.00 || 8 || 2005-11-24
|-
| Elstree, Herts || after only ||   || 70.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| Finedon, Northants || after only || 10.00 || 80.00 || 8 || 2008
|-
| Flamstead, Herts || before & after ||   || 120.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| Furneaux Pelham, Herts || after only ||   || 60.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| Great Berkhamsted, Herts || after only ||   || 120.00 || 8 ||2007
|-
| Great Gaddesden, Herts || before & after ||   || 100.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| Great Hormead, Herts || after only ||   || 70.00 || 6 ||2007
|-
| Great Horwood, Bucks. St James || both or after || 10.00 || 60.00 || 6 || 2007-11-17
|-
| Great Stanmore, Herts || after only ||   || 100.00 || 8 ||2007
|-
| Harpenden, Herts || after only ||   || 130.00 || 8 ||2007
|-
| Harwich, Essex* ||   || 10.00 || 100.00 || 6 || 2007-08-14
|-
| Hatfield, Herts || after only ||   || 150.00 || 10 ||2007
|-
| Hemel Hempstead, Herts || after only ||   || 120.00 || 8 ||2009
|-
| Hertford, All Saints, Herts || after only ||   || 80.00 || 10 ||2007
|-
| Hertford, St Andrew, Herts || after only ||   || 100.00 || 8 ||2007
|-
| Hunsdon, Herts || after only ||   || 60.00 || 8 ||2007
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| Kensington,St Mary Abbots || both or after || 40/80 ||400/800 || 10 || 2008
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| Kimpton, Herts || after only ||   || 72.00 || 8 ||2007
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| Kings Langley, Herts || before & after ||   || 130.00 || 8 ||2007
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| Langleybury, Herts || after only ||   || 60.00 || 6 ||2007
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| Lemsford, Herts || after only ||   || 66.00 || 6 ||2007
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| Little Gaddesden, Herts || after only ||   || 100.00 || 6 ||2007
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| Little Hadham, Herts || after only ||   || 90.00 || 6 ||2007
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| Little Munden, Herts || after only ||   || 60.00 || 6 ||2007
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| Liverpool, Merseyside, Pier Head || after only || 20.00 || 120.00 || 6 || 2010-04-17
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| Liverpool, Merseyside, Tuebrook ||   || 15.00 || 90.00 || 6 || 2005-09-03
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| Llanfrechfa, Gwent, All Saints ||   || 5.00 || 50.00 || 6-8 || 2006-10-11
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| Llantarnam, Gwent, St Michael & All Angels||   || 6.00 || 40.00 || 6 || 2006-10-11
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| Melbourne, Derbys, SS Michael & Mary ||   || 10.00 || 100.00 || 8 || 2005-09-03
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| Much Hadham, Herts || after only ||   || 80.00 || 8 ||2007
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| Newcastle, Jesmond, || before & after || 10.00 || 80.00 || 8 || 2007-09-20
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| North Marston, Bucks. Assumption B.V.M || both or after || 10.00 || 70.00 || 6 || 2009-04-14
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| North Moreton, Oxon, All Saints ||   || 15.00 || 75.00 || 5 || 2008-01-01
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| North Mymms, Herts || before & after ||   || 150.00 || 8 ||2007
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| Northaw, Herts || after only ||   || 60.00 || 6 ||2007
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| Northchurch, Herts || before & after ||   || 120.00 || 8 ||2007
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| Oaks-in-Charnwood, Leics, St James || after only || 10.00 || 100.00 || 8 || 2008-06-18
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| Quainton, Bucks. Holy Cross and St. Mary || both or after || 10.00 || 100.00 || 6-8 || 2008-04-14
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| Rainhill, Merseyside, St Bart's * || both or either || 15.00 || 120.00 || 6 || 2006-01-01
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| Redbourn, Herts || after only ||   || 130.00 || 6 ||2007
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| Rickmansworth, Herts || before & after ||   || 140.00 || 10 ||2007
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| Ridge, Herts || before & after ||   || 80.00 || 6 ||2007
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| Sandridge, Herts || after only ||   || 120.00 || 6 ||2007
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| Sawbridgeworth, Herts || after only ||   || 100.00 || 8 ||2007
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| Scawby, Lincs ||   || 10.00 || 30.00 || 3 || 2006-10-11
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| Shedfield, Hants, St John the Baptist || after only || 12.00 || 120.00 || 8 || 2008 & 2009
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| Sheffield, Cathedral, SS Peter & Paul ||   || 12.00 || 150.00 || 8-12 || 2006-02-17
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| South Mymms, Herts || before & after ||   || 80.00 || 6 ||2007
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| St Albans Abbey, Herts || after only ||   || 250.00 || 12 ||2007
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| St Albans, St Michael, Herts || after only ||   || 130.00 || 8 ||2007
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| St Albans, St Peter, Herts || after only ||   || 150.00 || 10 ||2007
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| St Albans, St Peter, Herts || before & after ||   || 180.00 || 10 ||2007
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| Staines, Surrey, St Mary / St Peter (same)|| before & after || 14.00 ||   || 8 || 2008
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| Staines, Surrey, St Mary / St Peter (same)|| before or after || 7.00 ||   || 8 || 2008
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| Standon, Herts || after only ||   || 60.00 || 6 ||2007
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| Stoke-next-Guildford, Surrey, S.J.E. ||   || 15.00 || 120.00 || 6 || 2006-10-09
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| Sydney, St Mary's Cathedral || both || 24.18 || 241.76 || 8 || 2008-07-01
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| Sydney, St Philip's || both || 19.34 || 203.08 || 8 || 2006-08-01
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| Tewin, Herts || after only ||   || 90.00 || 6 ||2007
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| Thorley, Herts || after only ||   || 100.00 || 6 ||2007
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| Thrumpton, Nottingham || before & after || 22.00 || 150.00 || 6 || 2009-07-01
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| Tring, Herts || after only ||   || 80.00 || 8 ||2007
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| Waddington, Lincoln || after only || 6.00 ||   || 6 || 2008
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| Ware, Herts || after only ||   || 100.00 || 8 ||2007
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| Warfield, Bracknell * || after only || 12.00 || 130.00 || 8 || 2010
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| Wargrave, Berkshire || after only || 15.00 || 195.00 || 8 || 2009-05-21
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| Watton-at-Stone, Herts || after only ||   || 60.00 || 8 ||2007
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| Welwyn, Herts || after only ||   || 90.00 || 8 ||2007
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| Westminster,London,St Clement Danes || before or after/both|| 35/70 || 430/760|| 6-10|| 2009
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| Wheathampstead, Herts || after only ||   || 80.00 || 8 ||2007
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| Whitchurch, Bucks. St. John Evangelist || both or after* || 20.00 || 120.00 || 6 || 2008-01-23
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| Widcombe, Bath, || before & after || 20.00 || 160.00 || 8 || 2007-09-20
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| Widford, Herts || after only ||   || 60.00 || 6 ||2007
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| Winslow, Bucks. St. Laurence || both or after || 10.00 || 80.00 || 8 || 2009-04-14
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| Worcester Cathedral ||   || 20.00 || 435.00 || 12 ||  
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| Yelvertoft, All Saints ||   || 10.00 || 60.00 || 6 || 2006-10-09
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